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How come specifically American, and how'd you reach that conclusion from glancing at the site? A huge number of people speak English as a second language. Usual

by midasz 2y ago

How come specifically American, and how'd you reach that conclusion from glancing at the site? A huge number of people speak English as a second language. Usually the notation follows the number, so it's kind of lazy to just say it's written for americans specifically - moreso as a counter to someone saying it's Farenheit instead of Celcius since I also clicked immediately thinking how is that possible.

jader201 2y ago
> how'd you reach that conclusion from glancing at the site? The first clue is the date, which is mm—dd-yyyy, only really used in the US. Also, while not “from glancing”, the article speaks in the context of heat in US cities. But yes, the author is likely taking for granted that non-US residents would read the article.
- deaddodo 2y ago
  > But yes, the author is likely taking for granted that non-US residents would read the article. Why should they need to? Should French journalists account for French-speaking Americans? What about German, Nigerian and Chinese ones? The only reason this argument ever comes up is because English is the most common second-language spoken. American, British, Aussie, etc journalists have no more moral or reasonable responsibility to account for non-native/foreign audiences than any other nationalities do. If you want to read a foreign publication, it's on you to deal with their local norms.
  - shiroiushi 2y ago
    >Should French journalists account for French-speaking Americans? What about German, Nigerian and Chinese ones? They don't have to: French, Germans, Nigerians, and Chinese all use Celsius. >The only reason this argument ever comes up is because English is the most common second-language spoken. No, it only comes up because Americans are the only people who use Fahrenheit.
    - deaddodo 2y ago
      > If you want to read a foreign publication, it's on you to deal with their local norms.
bisby 2y ago
> with particularly dangerous temperatures forecasted for cities such as Chicago, New York, and Boston > A heat dome that descended on Portland, Oregon, > FastCompany is an American company American companies tend to write for American audiences, especially when the article leads off with a bunch of American anecdotes. If it was fastcompany.co.uk and it started off writing about how dangerous temperatures were going to be in London, and Liverpool, I would have assumed it was British. The "intended audience" isn't just "people who can speak this language", and there are plenty of other context clues other than just "it's in English"
zoklet-enjoyer 2y ago
It's about a material that was developed in the United States and mentions several locations, all of which are in the United States.
crucialfelix 2y ago
Every website clearly states what country it's in and who the target audience is. Except if it doesn't, in which case you know it's the Americans.
- deaddodo 2y ago
  Please point to where in this article they mention this is written from/for France: https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2024/06/22/legislatives-2024-l-ex-ministre-aurelien-rousseau-candidat-de-la-gauche-en-campagne-face-a-la-grande-confusion-politique_6242575_823448.html https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2024/06/22/legislat... Explicitly, not in the form of contextual clues (their domain name and language). Correct, they do not. As the vast majority of published articles do not.
TeaBrain 2y ago
Fast Company is an American magazine. American business magazines, like Fortune, Forbes and Fast Company, write for a primarily American audience.
deaddodo 2y ago
> How come specifically American, and how'd you reach that conclusion from glancing at the site? It's a very popular publication in the United States and is a US company. > A huge number of people speak English as a second language. Yes, and if they're reading native articles, they're most certainly from the context of a small group of countries. It's not those nations' responsibility to make their articles accessible to every other nation simply because English is the most common second-language in the world. > Usually the notation follows the number, so it's kind of lazy to just say it's written for americans specifically I'm in France at this moment and haven't lived in the US for over half a decade. I've never once seen a Celsius-based nation put "15c", nor any non-english publication do so. They write for their audiences, the same as American, British, Canadian, etc publications do. > moreso as a counter to someone saying it's Farenheit instead of Celcius since I also clicked immediately thinking how is that possible. Correct. The publication is written for Americans and is done so from that context. The scientific paper it is discussing is much more specific, as it should be.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  >I've never once seen a Celsius-based nation put "15c", nor any non-english publication do so. They write for their audiences, the same as American, British, Canadian, etc publications do. It's not the same. There's only 1 Fahrenheit-based nation, and that's the US. Every other nation uses Celsius. So all the others just take it for granted and use Celsius degrees, and assume everyone else will assume it's Celsius, because 95% of the world uses Celsius. So they aren't "writing for their [local] audience", they're writing for anyone who happens to read it, and assuming, like most of humanity, that the reader will automatically assume Celsius. The C/F issue only becomes apparent when dealing with American readers or publications.
  - deaddodo 2y ago
    > There's only 1 Fahrenheit-based nation, and that's the US. And when that nation's people write for their own people, that don't need to care about what the other nation's use. Period. You're missing the main point in all of your grandstanding about America being different/unique in something. If you want to read American articles, it's on you to convert them. Just like Americans reading Die Welt, l'Republique, Xinhua. They don't owe you their audience just because 20% of the world speaks English.

by midasz 2y ago

jader201 2y ago

> how'd you reach that conclusion from glancing at the site? The first clue is the date, which is mm—dd-yyyy, only really used in the US. Also, while not “from glancing”, the article speaks in the context of heat in US cities. But yes, the author is likely taking for granted that non-US residents would read the article.

deaddodo 2y ago
> But yes, the author is likely taking for granted that non-US residents would read the article. Why should they need to? Should French journalists account for French-speaking Americans? What about German, Nigerian and Chinese ones? The only reason this argument ever comes up is because English is the most common second-language spoken. American, British, Aussie, etc journalists have no more moral or reasonable responsibility to account for non-native/foreign audiences than any other nationalities do. If you want to read a foreign publication, it's on you to deal with their local norms.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  >Should French journalists account for French-speaking Americans? What about German, Nigerian and Chinese ones? They don't have to: French, Germans, Nigerians, and Chinese all use Celsius. >The only reason this argument ever comes up is because English is the most common second-language spoken. No, it only comes up because Americans are the only people who use Fahrenheit.
  - deaddodo 2y ago
    > If you want to read a foreign publication, it's on you to deal with their local norms.

bisby 2y ago

> with particularly dangerous temperatures forecasted for cities such as Chicago, New York, and Boston > A heat dome that descended on Portland, Oregon, > FastCompany is an American company American companies tend to write for American audiences, especially when the article leads off with a bunch of American anecdotes. If it was fastcompany.co.uk and it started off writing about how dangerous temperatures were going to be in London, and Liverpool, I would have assumed it was British. The "intended audience" isn't just "people who can speak this language", and there are plenty of other context clues other than just "it's in English"

zoklet-enjoyer 2y ago

It's about a material that was developed in the United States and mentions several locations, all of which are in the United States.

crucialfelix 2y ago

Every website clearly states what country it's in and who the target audience is. Except if it doesn't, in which case you know it's the Americans.

deaddodo 2y ago
Please point to where in this article they mention this is written from/for France: https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2024/06/22/legislatives-2024-l-ex-ministre-aurelien-rousseau-candidat-de-la-gauche-en-campagne-face-a-la-grande-confusion-politique_6242575_823448.html https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2024/06/22/legislat... Explicitly, not in the form of contextual clues (their domain name and language). Correct, they do not. As the vast majority of published articles do not.

TeaBrain 2y ago

Fast Company is an American magazine. American business magazines, like Fortune, Forbes and Fast Company, write for a primarily American audience.

deaddodo 2y ago

> How come specifically American, and how'd you reach that conclusion from glancing at the site? It's a very popular publication in the United States and is a US company. > A huge number of people speak English as a second language. Yes, and if they're reading native articles, they're most certainly from the context of a small group of countries. It's not those nations' responsibility to make their articles accessible to every other nation simply because English is the most common second-language in the world. > Usually the notation follows the number, so it's kind of lazy to just say it's written for americans specifically I'm in France at this moment and haven't lived in the US for over half a decade. I've never once seen a Celsius-based nation put "15c", nor any non-english publication do so. They write for their audiences, the same as American, British, Canadian, etc publications do. > moreso as a counter to someone saying it's Farenheit instead of Celcius since I also clicked immediately thinking how is that possible. Correct. The publication is written for Americans and is done so from that context. The scientific paper it is discussing is much more specific, as it should be.

shiroiushi 2y ago
>I've never once seen a Celsius-based nation put "15c", nor any non-english publication do so. They write for their audiences, the same as American, British, Canadian, etc publications do. It's not the same. There's only 1 Fahrenheit-based nation, and that's the US. Every other nation uses Celsius. So all the others just take it for granted and use Celsius degrees, and assume everyone else will assume it's Celsius, because 95% of the world uses Celsius. So they aren't "writing for their [local] audience", they're writing for anyone who happens to read it, and assuming, like most of humanity, that the reader will automatically assume Celsius. The C/F issue only becomes apparent when dealing with American readers or publications.
- deaddodo 2y ago
  > There's only 1 Fahrenheit-based nation, and that's the US. And when that nation's people write for their own people, that don't need to care about what the other nation's use. Period. You're missing the main point in all of your grandstanding about America being different/unique in something. If you want to read American articles, it's on you to convert them. Just like Americans reading Die Welt, l'Republique, Xinhua. They don't owe you their audience just because 20% of the world speaks English.