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"Hateful" is such an odd adjective to choose. And it seems intentionally loaded, as if to associate it with hate crime. When nothing could be further from it.

"Hateful" is such an odd adjective to choose. And it seems intentionally loaded, as if to associate it with hate crime. When nothing could be further from it. I think there are a lot of valid criticisms of using AI to mimic other artists, things we need to think about as society. But I don't see where "hate" enters the picture here (assuming you're not actually trying to deepfake people saying legitimately hateful things, or similar). Making that accusation feels inflammatory and counterproductive.

drewcoo 2y ago
> as if to associate it with hate crime But she sees it as a hate crime. "It is antithetical to the life force that exists in all of us." Granted, she also thinks we can trick frogs into being boiled when all evidence is to the contrary. And she doesn't want to be "innocuous." There are many reasons in that article alone to dismiss what Crow says. https://www.iflscience.com/boiling-frog-syndrome-isnt-real-you-can-stop-boiling-frogs-now-72346 https://www.iflscience.com/boiling-frog-syndrome-isnt-real-y...
- epgui 2y ago
  Under what definition of “hate crime” is this possibly remotely a hate crime? IMO we should not grant nonsense the courtesy of allowing it to frame the conversation. It’s important that words mean things.
epgui 2y ago
Yeah it seems like a lot of totally meaningless words that overall suggests that she’s just feeling uncomfortable. Not to diminish her feelings, but as far as I’m concerned the words are rubbish.
apwell23 2y ago
> "Hateful" is such an odd adjective to choose. Its maybe odd but its literally her job to be in news and be seen as relavant. we wouldn't be talking about her on HN if she had some balanced sensible take.
tokai 2y ago
Hateful can mean "unpleasant; dislikable; distasteful:"[0] or "having or showing a desire to cause someone pain or suffering"[1]. For me its you that is intentionally loading the word. [0] https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hateful https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hateful [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/hateful https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/hateful
- oli-g 2y ago
  One of the sources you provided has only one, clear, obvious definition: one that applies 99% of the time, and aligns with how they (and me, and I can assure you, every single reader of BBC.com) interprets the word. The other source has practically the same definition listed as the top one, providing two alternatives, one of which is practically synonymous, and another showing an obscure alternative which is new to me and almost makes sense in the example sentence. Yet they're loading the word. Therefore sorry, but for me it's you who comes off as hateful. As in, unpleasant; dislikable [1]#2 :D
edgineer 2y ago
Sounds like she searched for a passive voice softening to distance herself from what she really means: "I hate it."
- codetrotter 2y ago
  “Despicable” would’ve been a better word in that case. “Hateful” definitely has a strong connotation of something that is motivated by hate. But I think she said “hateful” specifically because she meant just that. Hate agains humanity..
memothon 2y ago
In the specific case of the Drake track, hateful is an appropriate word. He was using Tupac's voice on the TaylorMade freestyle in a really disrespectful way that would borderline on hateful of his artistic legacy. Just read these lyrics... > Verse 1: 2Pac (AI)] Kendrick, we need ya, the West Coast savior Engraving your name in some hip-hop history If you deal with this viciously You seem a little nervous about all the publicity Fuck this Canadian lightskin, Dot We need a no-debated West Coast victory, man Call him a bitch for me Talk about him likin' young girls, that's a gift from me
striking 2y ago
The way it was used, in context, was certainly a kind of hate. It was in the middle of the rap beef between Drake and Kendrick Lamar, employed to fire shots at not just Kendrick but at the entire West Coast rap scene. You might not understand the consequences of doing something like this, but as Kendrick replied, "I think that Oakland show gon' be your last stop, [...]".
JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago
Hateful is a real word. We should use more real words instead of thinking of all the possibilities associated with them.

drewcoo 2y ago

> as if to associate it with hate crime But she sees it as a hate crime. "It is antithetical to the life force that exists in all of us." Granted, she also thinks we can trick frogs into being boiled when all evidence is to the contrary. And she doesn't want to be "innocuous." There are many reasons in that article alone to dismiss what Crow says. https://www.iflscience.com/boiling-frog-syndrome-isnt-real-you-can-stop-boiling-frogs-now-72346 https://www.iflscience.com/boiling-frog-syndrome-isnt-real-y...

epgui 2y ago
Under what definition of “hate crime” is this possibly remotely a hate crime? IMO we should not grant nonsense the courtesy of allowing it to frame the conversation. It’s important that words mean things.

epgui 2y ago

Yeah it seems like a lot of totally meaningless words that overall suggests that she’s just feeling uncomfortable. Not to diminish her feelings, but as far as I’m concerned the words are rubbish.

apwell23 2y ago

> "Hateful" is such an odd adjective to choose. Its maybe odd but its literally her job to be in news and be seen as relavant. we wouldn't be talking about her on HN if she had some balanced sensible take.

tokai 2y ago

Hateful can mean "unpleasant; dislikable; distasteful:"[0] or "having or showing a desire to cause someone pain or suffering"[1]. For me its you that is intentionally loading the word. [0] https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hateful https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hateful [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/hateful https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/hateful

oli-g 2y ago
One of the sources you provided has only one, clear, obvious definition: one that applies 99% of the time, and aligns with how they (and me, and I can assure you, every single reader of BBC.com) interprets the word. The other source has practically the same definition listed as the top one, providing two alternatives, one of which is practically synonymous, and another showing an obscure alternative which is new to me and almost makes sense in the example sentence. Yet they're loading the word. Therefore sorry, but for me it's you who comes off as hateful. As in, unpleasant; dislikable [1]#2 :D

edgineer 2y ago

Sounds like she searched for a passive voice softening to distance herself from what she really means: "I hate it."

codetrotter 2y ago
“Despicable” would’ve been a better word in that case. “Hateful” definitely has a strong connotation of something that is motivated by hate. But I think she said “hateful” specifically because she meant just that. Hate agains humanity..

memothon 2y ago

In the specific case of the Drake track, hateful is an appropriate word. He was using Tupac's voice on the TaylorMade freestyle in a really disrespectful way that would borderline on hateful of his artistic legacy. Just read these lyrics... > Verse 1: 2Pac (AI)] Kendrick, we need ya, the West Coast savior Engraving your name in some hip-hop history If you deal with this viciously You seem a little nervous about all the publicity Fuck this Canadian lightskin, Dot We need a no-debated West Coast victory, man Call him a bitch for me Talk about him likin' young girls, that's a gift from me

striking 2y ago

The way it was used, in context, was certainly a kind of hate. It was in the middle of the rap beef between Drake and Kendrick Lamar, employed to fire shots at not just Kendrick but at the entire West Coast rap scene. You might not understand the consequences of doing something like this, but as Kendrick replied, "I think that Oakland show gon' be your last stop, [...]".

JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago

Hateful is a real word. We should use more real words instead of thinking of all the possibilities associated with them.