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> All this fuzzy language That's not the exclusive problem to Microsoft - it happens all around us within the IT world. The corporations stopped acknowledging

by pndy 2y ago

> All this fuzzy language That's not the exclusive problem to Microsoft - it happens all around us within the IT world. The corporations stopped acknowledging the permanent "No" anymore and the actual user choice. It's a plain harassment up until you give up and agree to what you get shoveled with. Whenever I read comments regarding last two Windows versions and issues people had or have with these, or news about newest Microsoft "ideas" - I ask myself, where the hell are regulators?

0dayz 2y ago
You get what you vote for. If you want less government interference then less regulatory power will exist.
- deleted 2y ago
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BiteCode_dev 2y ago
They are in Europe, and heavily criticized on HN everytime they regulate. I love GDPR, yet so many complain about it for cookie banners, which are not even what the law requires: There Is No Cookie Banner Law (https://www.bitecode.dev/p/there-is-no-eu-cookie-banner-law https://www.bitecode.dev/p/there-is-no-eu-cookie-banner-law)
- Numerlor 2y ago
  Reading through this thread as an user of Windows from the EU most of the issues I see mentioned here are just non-existent, like OneDrive nagging that has never happened to me
  - pauby 2y ago
    > just non-existent You have just been lucky. Nothing more. A classic case of it doesn't happen on _my computer_ so it must be a lie.
    - Numerlor 2y ago
      I have been lucky on multiple installs on multiple computers? I'm not saying what people are complaining about are lies, I'm saying the issues don't seem to exist in EU installs on Windows. For example the only ads I've seen were during the initial setup screen and pre-installed apps/shortcuts that are gone in a minute of work, and OneDrive can be uninstalled in two clicks. The only issue that is still here would be bing in start search but that's trivial to disable compared to the configurations I had to do on my linux desktops, so while it is bad and shouldn't be a thing I don't see it as a big issue when comparing to linux.
    - janice1999 2y ago
      Windows is literally different in the EU and the rest of the world. https://blogs.microsoft.com/eupolicy/2024/03/07/microsoft-dma-compliance-windows-linkedin/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/eupolicy/2024/03/07/microsoft-dm...
- rsanek 2y ago
  did cookie banners exist without the law? largely not, which is why people perceive it to be a "cookie banner law" no matter what is technically written in it.
  - BiteCode_dev 2y ago
    Sure, you can also blame condoms for increasing the safety of people cheating on their spouses.
  - awiesenhofer 2y ago
    > did cookie banners exist without the law? Yes!? They existed long before GDPR was even passed.
- noprocrasted 2y ago
  Only problem with GDPR is that while the spirit/intention of the law is great (and it even prohibits malicious compliance such as consent prompts that make it more difficult to decline than accept), enforcement is significantly lacking which means it's still more profitable to breach it than respect it.
  - BiteCode_dev 2y ago
    I would say the problem is rather that companies are becoming too big to cares. Meta has been fined several times, in total for more than 2 billions. Amazon ? 746 millions. Tik tok? 345 millions. And yet it's a small price to pay for them
- pndy 2y ago
  Author says what I'm repeating since day one when GDPR and these so-called banner with "preferences" were introduced: this should be handled by the browsers. The idea was good but the interpretation and implementation of this law failed - the banners, cookies aren't as permanent and universal as browser sending the header.
franga2000 2y ago
> where the hell are regulators? We have killed them. If a government tries to do anything against a company that isn't a perfect 1:1 mapping to an explicit thing in the law that they are breaking, the company will sue back and win. And if they try to pass such a law, the biggest companies are powerful enough to get rid of them next term, so they don't even try.
shakes_mcjunkie 2y ago
Happens to me all the time with Google because I'm choosing not to pay for their backup. They constantly bother me about almost running out of space, even with a modal that requires you to use a toggle to dismiss it without accepting. It's gross.

by pndy 2y ago

0dayz 2y ago

You get what you vote for. If you want less government interference then less regulatory power will exist.

deleted 2y ago
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BiteCode_dev 2y ago

They are in Europe, and heavily criticized on HN everytime they regulate. I love GDPR, yet so many complain about it for cookie banners, which are not even what the law requires: There Is No Cookie Banner Law (https://www.bitecode.dev/p/there-is-no-eu-cookie-banner-law https://www.bitecode.dev/p/there-is-no-eu-cookie-banner-law)

Numerlor 2y ago
Reading through this thread as an user of Windows from the EU most of the issues I see mentioned here are just non-existent, like OneDrive nagging that has never happened to me
- pauby 2y ago
  > just non-existent You have just been lucky. Nothing more. A classic case of it doesn't happen on _my computer_ so it must be a lie.
  - Numerlor 2y ago
    I have been lucky on multiple installs on multiple computers? I'm not saying what people are complaining about are lies, I'm saying the issues don't seem to exist in EU installs on Windows. For example the only ads I've seen were during the initial setup screen and pre-installed apps/shortcuts that are gone in a minute of work, and OneDrive can be uninstalled in two clicks. The only issue that is still here would be bing in start search but that's trivial to disable compared to the configurations I had to do on my linux desktops, so while it is bad and shouldn't be a thing I don't see it as a big issue when comparing to linux.
  - janice1999 2y ago
    Windows is literally different in the EU and the rest of the world. https://blogs.microsoft.com/eupolicy/2024/03/07/microsoft-dma-compliance-windows-linkedin/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/eupolicy/2024/03/07/microsoft-dm...
rsanek 2y ago
did cookie banners exist without the law? largely not, which is why people perceive it to be a "cookie banner law" no matter what is technically written in it.
- BiteCode_dev 2y ago
  Sure, you can also blame condoms for increasing the safety of people cheating on their spouses.
- awiesenhofer 2y ago
  > did cookie banners exist without the law? Yes!? They existed long before GDPR was even passed.
noprocrasted 2y ago
Only problem with GDPR is that while the spirit/intention of the law is great (and it even prohibits malicious compliance such as consent prompts that make it more difficult to decline than accept), enforcement is significantly lacking which means it's still more profitable to breach it than respect it.
- BiteCode_dev 2y ago
  I would say the problem is rather that companies are becoming too big to cares. Meta has been fined several times, in total for more than 2 billions. Amazon ? 746 millions. Tik tok? 345 millions. And yet it's a small price to pay for them
pndy 2y ago
Author says what I'm repeating since day one when GDPR and these so-called banner with "preferences" were introduced: this should be handled by the browsers. The idea was good but the interpretation and implementation of this law failed - the banners, cookies aren't as permanent and universal as browser sending the header.

franga2000 2y ago

> where the hell are regulators? We have killed them. If a government tries to do anything against a company that isn't a perfect 1:1 mapping to an explicit thing in the law that they are breaking, the company will sue back and win. And if they try to pass such a law, the biggest companies are powerful enough to get rid of them next term, so they don't even try.

shakes_mcjunkie 2y ago

Happens to me all the time with Google because I'm choosing not to pay for their backup. They constantly bother me about almost running out of space, even with a modal that requires you to use a toggle to dismiss it without accepting. It's gross.