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I have absolutely none of these problems on my Windows 11 pro for workstations desktop. My computer is very much my computer and I seem to have full total contr

I have absolutely none of these problems on my Windows 11 pro for workstations desktop. My computer is very much my computer and I seem to have full total control over everything. I'm not sure what I do differently than everyone else but that's just how it is.

slicktux 2y ago
You’re the ideal windows user…whatever that may be??
- bongodongobob 2y ago
  It's not fucking with core components that aren't supposed to be fucked with.
  - hnlmorg 2y ago
    It’s software running on your own computer. If you’re not supposed to turn off ads and OneDrive, change the default search engine, etc then that’s a pretty sad state of affairs. Though as an ex-Windows developer and hacker, I can tell you that NT is pretty modular and is designed to be “fucked” with in various different ways. Microsoft just like to ship defaults that are more favourable for their own business than your typical power user.
  - DrSiemer 2y ago
    How is OneDrive a core component? It even has an uninstall in Europe, because baking it in is clearly anti-competitive. http://windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-is-now-100-compliant-with-the-european-unions-dma-regulation-by-letting-users-uninstall-onedrive-edge-and-bing-on-windo http://windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft...
  - josephg 2y ago
    I wouldn’t mind the defaults if they weren’t horrible. No, I don’t want Microsoft selling my data to 3rd parties. I don’t want an AI “assistant” watching everything I do. I don’t want crazy right wing conspiracy theory news stories in my start menu, or popping up next to the clock or wherever that junk lives. I don’t want my start menu to do an internet search. Or to try and get me to play candy crush. If I want a dropbox like service I’ll research my options. Don’t auto install onedrive and make it start automatically at boot. None of that stuff is a core component. The only reason any of that stuff is part of windows is because windows is a mature product. And all their desperate product managers need to add stupid features to windows to justify getting promoted. Maybe I’m just old fashioned, but I don’t use windows because I want to be part of Microsoft’s software empire. I just want an OS that boots fast and lets me play video games. I don’t buy ram from the computer store so some tasteless bozo at Microsoft can justify their 6 figure salary.
  - timeon 2y ago
    If cloud is core component does it mean that Windows requires internet to run?
  - stavros 2y ago
    How is Dropbox now a "core component" of computers? Have we collectively lost our minds?
  - lelanthran 2y ago
    > It's not fucking with core components that aren't supposed to be fucked with. I suppose the problem for many people is that advertisements are now "core components", when they really shouldn't be. First-party upsells are now core components when they shouldn't be. Third-party resellers are now core components when they shouldn't be. Look, I get it: minesweeper is no longer free, and I'm okay with that. But FCOL, now the start button is ad-supported?
soared 2y ago
Try completely removing one drive to understand the rest of our pain. Even if you manage to get the program gone, somehow the default file save location for many applications is still a (now deleted) one drive folder. If you forget and click save.. well now you have one drive again.
- bongodongobob 2y ago
  Don't. Do. That. Leave it alone, that's why Windows is breaking for you. You keep fucking with core components. It's not Linux. You can't do that and not suffer consequences.
  - BarryMilo 2y ago
    Thus proving OP's point: it's not your computer.
    - TheLoafOfBread 2y ago
      If you remove glibc in Linux, it will start breaking too.
      - josephg 2y ago
        Onedrive is not a core windows component. It’s not a dependency of other applications. It’s just a Dropbox replacement. Windows works, and has always worked, just fine without onedrive. Microsoft just doesn’t want you to know that, because they are obsessed with the idea of upselling you on subscription based cloud services.
        JasonSage 2y ago
        > Onedrive is not a core windows component. Unfortunately this is changing in the wrong direction for you or I.
        2y ago
bruce511 2y ago
You're getting downvoted, as will I, because presenting an alternative anecdotal experience isn't acceptable in Windows threads. I've learned this the hard way. Unfortunately just like the original post is anecdotal (I haven't had a machine fail to startup after an update since XP) not all anecdotes are born equal. Interestingly, I don't see adverts myself, and I've never seen any at work. I -suspect- that's heavily regionalized. Are there features I don't care for? Sure - I don't use OneDrive, I don't internet search from the Start bar, and I use Edge only occasionally. But it's not like somehow you -have- to use everything they ship. I get it. An OS is personal. If you don't like Windows, use MacOS or Linux. All 3 have different approaches and one of them will fit you better than the others. Arguing over which is better or worse is like fighting over ice-cream flavors.
- k8sToGo 2y ago
  Yes you have to use what they ship. Because they force you to. You cannot turn off one drive nagging. You cannot turn off the start menu search. When installing windows these days you have to use a Microsoft account and so on. Yes there are work arounds, but that’s not for the average user. If I need to start tinkering and hack around in registries I might as well use Linux.
  - bruce511 2y ago
    I confess I don't have a Microsoft account, and installed without one. I'm not sure how I did that, I guess I just passed on it. Every month or so it after a reboot it prompts me to "finish setting up my computer" and I just "remind me later". I haven't touched the registry, so that's not in play. OneDrive doesn't nag me. As I said earlier this is all anecdotal, clearly your experience is different to mine. This post is just anecdotes, not data, and I'm not suggesting my experience is your experience.
    - prmoustache 2y ago
      I had to install a temporary windows 10 (not 11) install so that I can unlock the bootloader of a xiaomi phone and install a better rom. I managed to avoid the microsoft account use by not connecting to the internet before the setup was finished. It asked me like 2 or 3 times it looped 2 or 3 times in the select wifi / use MS account screens before giving up and sending me to the local account creation.
bongodongobob 2y ago
It's because people fuck with the registry, run those decrapifier scripts etc. They completely mess with the guts doing nonstandard things and eventually it turns into a mess. Ask me how I know. After I started administering fleets of Windows machines, I learned that if you don't fuck with it, it's fine! If you need to make changes, use group policy. Don't like OneDrive? Don't use it! Uninstalling it is going to fuck things up. Install updates as they come. "But it breaks things!" No it doesn't. It only does if you've fucked your registry to hell. Just leave things alone and stop trying to customize it like a Linux box is my advice. It is what it is and will work fine if you use it the way it's intended.
- chipdart 2y ago
  > Don't like OneDrive? Don't use it! Uninstalling it is going to fuck things up. OneDrive in the end is a component designed to exfiltrate documents. Wanting to remove a security vulnerability should not brick a device. Asking people to not use it is not a solution because you are prompted to send your documents over the internet to a third party every single time you save a new file.
- kstrauser 2y ago
  If uninstalling it breaks things, at least one of these must be true: 1. It should not be uninstallable and MS screwed up by making it so. 2. The uninstaller is broken and MS screwed up by making it so. Either path is MS’s fault, not the user’s.
- viraptor 2y ago
  > Install updates as they come. "But it breaks things!" No it doesn't. KB4541335 entered the chat. If you haven't seen a broken vanilla update, you haven't been doing this long enough.
- phito 2y ago
  > Don't like OneDrive? Don't use it No, I absolutely want it off my computer. But then I'm not going to bother with weird registry scripts. Windows won't let me easily remove things, so I removed windows.
- 2y ago

slicktux 2y ago

You’re the ideal windows user…whatever that may be??

bongodongobob 2y ago
It's not fucking with core components that aren't supposed to be fucked with.
- hnlmorg 2y ago
  It’s software running on your own computer. If you’re not supposed to turn off ads and OneDrive, change the default search engine, etc then that’s a pretty sad state of affairs. Though as an ex-Windows developer and hacker, I can tell you that NT is pretty modular and is designed to be “fucked” with in various different ways. Microsoft just like to ship defaults that are more favourable for their own business than your typical power user.
- DrSiemer 2y ago
  How is OneDrive a core component? It even has an uninstall in Europe, because baking it in is clearly anti-competitive. http://windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-is-now-100-compliant-with-the-european-unions-dma-regulation-by-letting-users-uninstall-onedrive-edge-and-bing-on-windo http://windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft...
- josephg 2y ago
  I wouldn’t mind the defaults if they weren’t horrible. No, I don’t want Microsoft selling my data to 3rd parties. I don’t want an AI “assistant” watching everything I do. I don’t want crazy right wing conspiracy theory news stories in my start menu, or popping up next to the clock or wherever that junk lives. I don’t want my start menu to do an internet search. Or to try and get me to play candy crush. If I want a dropbox like service I’ll research my options. Don’t auto install onedrive and make it start automatically at boot. None of that stuff is a core component. The only reason any of that stuff is part of windows is because windows is a mature product. And all their desperate product managers need to add stupid features to windows to justify getting promoted. Maybe I’m just old fashioned, but I don’t use windows because I want to be part of Microsoft’s software empire. I just want an OS that boots fast and lets me play video games. I don’t buy ram from the computer store so some tasteless bozo at Microsoft can justify their 6 figure salary.
- timeon 2y ago
  If cloud is core component does it mean that Windows requires internet to run?
- stavros 2y ago
  How is Dropbox now a "core component" of computers? Have we collectively lost our minds?
- lelanthran 2y ago
  > It's not fucking with core components that aren't supposed to be fucked with. I suppose the problem for many people is that advertisements are now "core components", when they really shouldn't be. First-party upsells are now core components when they shouldn't be. Third-party resellers are now core components when they shouldn't be. Look, I get it: minesweeper is no longer free, and I'm okay with that. But FCOL, now the start button is ad-supported?

soared 2y ago

Try completely removing one drive to understand the rest of our pain. Even if you manage to get the program gone, somehow the default file save location for many applications is still a (now deleted) one drive folder. If you forget and click save.. well now you have one drive again.

bongodongobob 2y ago
Don't. Do. That. Leave it alone, that's why Windows is breaking for you. You keep fucking with core components. It's not Linux. You can't do that and not suffer consequences.
- BarryMilo 2y ago
  Thus proving OP's point: it's not your computer.
  - TheLoafOfBread 2y ago
    If you remove glibc in Linux, it will start breaking too.
    - josephg 2y ago
      Onedrive is not a core windows component. It’s not a dependency of other applications. It’s just a Dropbox replacement. Windows works, and has always worked, just fine without onedrive. Microsoft just doesn’t want you to know that, because they are obsessed with the idea of upselling you on subscription based cloud services.
      - JasonSage 2y ago
        > Onedrive is not a core windows component. Unfortunately this is changing in the wrong direction for you or I.
        2y ago

bruce511 2y ago

You're getting downvoted, as will I, because presenting an alternative anecdotal experience isn't acceptable in Windows threads. I've learned this the hard way. Unfortunately just like the original post is anecdotal (I haven't had a machine fail to startup after an update since XP) not all anecdotes are born equal. Interestingly, I don't see adverts myself, and I've never seen any at work. I -suspect- that's heavily regionalized. Are there features I don't care for? Sure - I don't use OneDrive, I don't internet search from the Start bar, and I use Edge only occasionally. But it's not like somehow you -have- to use everything they ship. I get it. An OS is personal. If you don't like Windows, use MacOS or Linux. All 3 have different approaches and one of them will fit you better than the others. Arguing over which is better or worse is like fighting over ice-cream flavors.

k8sToGo 2y ago
Yes you have to use what they ship. Because they force you to. You cannot turn off one drive nagging. You cannot turn off the start menu search. When installing windows these days you have to use a Microsoft account and so on. Yes there are work arounds, but that’s not for the average user. If I need to start tinkering and hack around in registries I might as well use Linux.
- bruce511 2y ago
  I confess I don't have a Microsoft account, and installed without one. I'm not sure how I did that, I guess I just passed on it. Every month or so it after a reboot it prompts me to "finish setting up my computer" and I just "remind me later". I haven't touched the registry, so that's not in play. OneDrive doesn't nag me. As I said earlier this is all anecdotal, clearly your experience is different to mine. This post is just anecdotes, not data, and I'm not suggesting my experience is your experience.
  - prmoustache 2y ago
    I had to install a temporary windows 10 (not 11) install so that I can unlock the bootloader of a xiaomi phone and install a better rom. I managed to avoid the microsoft account use by not connecting to the internet before the setup was finished. It asked me like 2 or 3 times it looped 2 or 3 times in the select wifi / use MS account screens before giving up and sending me to the local account creation.

bongodongobob 2y ago

It's because people fuck with the registry, run those decrapifier scripts etc. They completely mess with the guts doing nonstandard things and eventually it turns into a mess. Ask me how I know. After I started administering fleets of Windows machines, I learned that if you don't fuck with it, it's fine! If you need to make changes, use group policy. Don't like OneDrive? Don't use it! Uninstalling it is going to fuck things up. Install updates as they come. "But it breaks things!" No it doesn't. It only does if you've fucked your registry to hell. Just leave things alone and stop trying to customize it like a Linux box is my advice. It is what it is and will work fine if you use it the way it's intended.

chipdart 2y ago
> Don't like OneDrive? Don't use it! Uninstalling it is going to fuck things up. OneDrive in the end is a component designed to exfiltrate documents. Wanting to remove a security vulnerability should not brick a device. Asking people to not use it is not a solution because you are prompted to send your documents over the internet to a third party every single time you save a new file.
kstrauser 2y ago
If uninstalling it breaks things, at least one of these must be true: 1. It should not be uninstallable and MS screwed up by making it so. 2. The uninstaller is broken and MS screwed up by making it so. Either path is MS’s fault, not the user’s.
viraptor 2y ago
> Install updates as they come. "But it breaks things!" No it doesn't. KB4541335 entered the chat. If you haven't seen a broken vanilla update, you haven't been doing this long enough.
phito 2y ago
> Don't like OneDrive? Don't use it No, I absolutely want it off my computer. But then I'm not going to bother with weird registry scripts. Windows won't let me easily remove things, so I removed windows.
2y ago