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I think Proton is a great project (and CodeWeavers deserve credit there as well), but why does it have to be a choice? I have been multi booting for 20 years,

I think Proton is a great project (and CodeWeavers deserve credit there as well), but why does it have to be a choice? I have been multi booting for 20 years, preferring Linux distributions the whole time, but other OSes when I want to use them. I recently started using a dedicated Windows system for gaming and other Windows favored tasks. I am running a KVM switch, using AMD Graphics on a Linux system and Nvidia on this Windows system. I also have a macOS system, that I use as needed. I do this with mobile devices as well. It doesn't seem worth it to squabble over choosing a path.

tcmart14 2y ago
I don't know if I'd say its a choice between a squabble or no squabble, its just a different set of squabbles. For me, there are evenings when I am hacking away on a hobby project for 2 or 3 hours. Then suddenly just go, 'I wanna just veg out for another 2 hours then go to bed.' When I'm in that mood, I don't even want to be bothered changing machines. Just hit the steam icon and veg. Thats also bout the only time I end up gaming though, haha. Last time I dual booted though, I remember why I didn't for along time. Did a Windows update, windows rebooted my computer and it did something with grub and I couldn't easily boot into linux anymore.
- gitaarik 2y ago
  Sounds familiar. Dual boot sounds nice but in practice isn't always that nice.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
    It was my experience as well. For the longest time, I had dual boot with a thought that I will switch between OSs as needed ( and as a back up if things break down ), but that never really happened and I spent majority of time on Windows ( and games ). Eventually, I just realized VM works better for me.
    - EasyMark 2y ago
      Works better for me as well, plus it keeps windows in a nice little bundle that I can cut off from the network at will, it’s really nice with a dedicated GPU to play games as well with pass thru
      - A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
        Holy mackerel, yes. Once I realized pass through can and does work, I never looked back. This is also why I dislike how nvidia seems to do everything in its power to make it as painful as possible for anything after 3060, but that is a separate rant.
- 93po 2y ago
  I refuse to dual boot unless I can physically disable the drives I'm not booting into
nine_k 2y ago
Not everyone has multiple desktop computers at home, especially powerful ones. (With an Apple device to top it up.) But hardware is more affordable than ever (unless you want a really powerful GPU). What's worse is that you have to separate the tasks between OSes, you can't easily have a default computer for everything, with everything relevant locally available. It's fine if you keep Windows for gaming, and want gaming to be explicitly separate. It's harder if you need Windows for graphics / video, or for CAD/CAM, or for Office. Having important related bits and software on another box may be a hassle.
- dylan604 2y ago
  Why do you need multiple computers when you can have multiboot and use one computer to run different OSes?
  - hot_gril 2y ago
    Cause it's not fun having to reboot every time you want to run a Windows program, especially if it means dealing with Windows nagging.
    - atemerev 2y ago
      I can live with this if I occasionally want to play so-called “AAA” games. I don’t use Windows for anything else.
      - hot_gril 2y ago
        In a way, it's worse the less frequently you want to play, cause it means you'll have to wait for Windows updates every time. But it works.
    - creshal 2y ago
      If you're careful with how you handle the ESP and other shared drives on Linux's side, I found it reasonably ergonomic to suspend to disk, rather than hard shut down, when switching between OSes. At least back when win10 was new, Proton is good enough that I haven't needed Windows in a good few years.
WWLink 2y ago
I was that dude, but I hate using Windows! Microsoft kept giving me more and more reasons to stop using Windows, on a silver platter lol. So now my gaming PC runs fedora, and all of my other computers are Macs.
abhinavk 2y ago
If you have two GPUs, you can run a Windows VM in Linux and configure GPU passthrough for Nvidia card. [1] Doesn't work for games requiring kernel-mode anti-cheat. [2] https://looking-glass.io/ https://looking-glass.io/ to use both GPUs on the same monitor.

tcmart14 2y ago

I don't know if I'd say its a choice between a squabble or no squabble, its just a different set of squabbles. For me, there are evenings when I am hacking away on a hobby project for 2 or 3 hours. Then suddenly just go, 'I wanna just veg out for another 2 hours then go to bed.' When I'm in that mood, I don't even want to be bothered changing machines. Just hit the steam icon and veg. Thats also bout the only time I end up gaming though, haha. Last time I dual booted though, I remember why I didn't for along time. Did a Windows update, windows rebooted my computer and it did something with grub and I couldn't easily boot into linux anymore.

gitaarik 2y ago
Sounds familiar. Dual boot sounds nice but in practice isn't always that nice.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
  It was my experience as well. For the longest time, I had dual boot with a thought that I will switch between OSs as needed ( and as a back up if things break down ), but that never really happened and I spent majority of time on Windows ( and games ). Eventually, I just realized VM works better for me.
  - EasyMark 2y ago
    Works better for me as well, plus it keeps windows in a nice little bundle that I can cut off from the network at will, it’s really nice with a dedicated GPU to play games as well with pass thru
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
      Holy mackerel, yes. Once I realized pass through can and does work, I never looked back. This is also why I dislike how nvidia seems to do everything in its power to make it as painful as possible for anything after 3060, but that is a separate rant.
93po 2y ago
I refuse to dual boot unless I can physically disable the drives I'm not booting into

nine_k 2y ago

Not everyone has multiple desktop computers at home, especially powerful ones. (With an Apple device to top it up.) But hardware is more affordable than ever (unless you want a really powerful GPU). What's worse is that you have to separate the tasks between OSes, you can't easily have a default computer for everything, with everything relevant locally available. It's fine if you keep Windows for gaming, and want gaming to be explicitly separate. It's harder if you need Windows for graphics / video, or for CAD/CAM, or for Office. Having important related bits and software on another box may be a hassle.

dylan604 2y ago
Why do you need multiple computers when you can have multiboot and use one computer to run different OSes?
- hot_gril 2y ago
  Cause it's not fun having to reboot every time you want to run a Windows program, especially if it means dealing with Windows nagging.
  - atemerev 2y ago
    I can live with this if I occasionally want to play so-called “AAA” games. I don’t use Windows for anything else.
    - hot_gril 2y ago
      In a way, it's worse the less frequently you want to play, cause it means you'll have to wait for Windows updates every time. But it works.
  - creshal 2y ago
    If you're careful with how you handle the ESP and other shared drives on Linux's side, I found it reasonably ergonomic to suspend to disk, rather than hard shut down, when switching between OSes. At least back when win10 was new, Proton is good enough that I haven't needed Windows in a good few years.

WWLink 2y ago

I was that dude, but I hate using Windows! Microsoft kept giving me more and more reasons to stop using Windows, on a silver platter lol. So now my gaming PC runs fedora, and all of my other computers are Macs.

abhinavk 2y ago

If you have two GPUs, you can run a Windows VM in Linux and configure GPU passthrough for Nvidia card. [1] Doesn't work for games requiring kernel-mode anti-cheat. [2] https://looking-glass.io/ https://looking-glass.io/ to use both GPUs on the same monitor.