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- no more solitaire - cortana - ads… ADS… in the OS - forced updates - windows live accounts (or is it microsoft.com? wait, no, I think it’s office.com?) -

- no more solitaire - cortana - ads… ADS… in the OS - forced updates - windows live accounts (or is it microsoft.com? wait, no, I think it’s office.com?) - two system settings screens - major new versions after “last version of Windows ever: 10”

hypeatei 2y ago
Oh man, the absolute clusterfuck of settings screens is irritating. OS settings interface isn't a fucking micro service project; it's like technically, yes, they're updating the same things underneath but I don't want to spend mental energy thinking about the best way to update network settings in <current year>
- et1337 2y ago
  To be fair, I still have no idea how to set the DNS server on an Ubuntu server in a way that won’t get wiped out on reboot. Is it resolv.conf? Nope, that’s generated by another tool. systemd-resolve? I think that’s getting closer… network manager? By the time I figure it out they’ll add another one to the pile.
  - yobert 2y ago
    The ecosystem has settled on NetworkManager for desktops/laptops. The systemd ones are great for servers or VMs.
  - Caligatio 2y ago
    The network config for out-of-the-box Ubuntu server has been stable for 6 years. You need to modify netplan's config: /etc/netplan/*.yaml (default is 00-installer-config.yaml). This renders volatile systemd-networkd configs in /run/systemd/network which, in turn, will configure systemd-resolved appropriately. If you've opted out of netplan, then you need to configure one of systemd-networkd or NetworkManager manually (on server, NetworkManager is only present if you've installed it). I personally used to be opposed to netplan but I had to do some very esoteric network configuration which was super easy with netplan.
    - bravetraveler 2y ago
      > I personally used to be opposed to netplan but I had to do some very esoteric network configuration which was super easy with netplan. Unless it still insists on realizing all state or no state, I think I still prefer the things doing the work for/underneath Netplan To your point, esoteric configurations. Netplan is all or nothing: done improperly, it can more easily break the whole house of cards. It tries/applies everything... where the others allow more utility
    - et1337 2y ago
      Ah right, I remember I ended up writing a netplan YAML. I still couldn’t get it to persist across reboots, and just resorted to running “sudo netplan apply” every time it rebooted.
- okasaki 2y ago
  Windows settings have always been bad, but the new UI is truly an atrocity. I think it's intentional because they don't really want users changing stuff, especially the spyware parts. Android is also truly horrible, with some settings (like privacy settings) redirecting you to a sluggish embedded remote web page.
jasonfarnon 2y ago
I actually thought everyone other than linux was forcing updates at this point. Do apple devices let you shut them off?
- wpm 2y ago
  Apple devices don't even turn it on. iOS devices it's offered to you during setup, but on the Mac only Rapid Security Responses and XProtect autoupdates are on by default. Changes are a simple toggle. Auto check, on or off. Auto install, on or off.
Throw_Away_1049 2y ago
I just purchased the new Surface Laptop (7) coming from MacOS. I boot it up, ads are in the start menu, ads are in the weather app, ads are in the email application, ads are in the notifications, and edge’s start screen. I research a bit and you much pay $70/year for the office suite and $20/month for copilot+. Yah, nah, already returned it and back with macOS.
Krssst 2y ago
> two system settings screens I dread the time when they remove the old one. Small settings that I like to tinker with are hidden here and I doubt program managers will care about them at all. Example: customizing the mouse theme. Seems frivolous, but without changing the text cursor, increasing the cursor size too much makes it very difficult to pinpoint text since the effect point is on the center of a big cursor rather than on a clearly defined edge.

hypeatei 2y ago

Oh man, the absolute clusterfuck of settings screens is irritating. OS settings interface isn't a fucking micro service project; it's like technically, yes, they're updating the same things underneath but I don't want to spend mental energy thinking about the best way to update network settings in <current year>

et1337 2y ago
To be fair, I still have no idea how to set the DNS server on an Ubuntu server in a way that won’t get wiped out on reboot. Is it resolv.conf? Nope, that’s generated by another tool. systemd-resolve? I think that’s getting closer… network manager? By the time I figure it out they’ll add another one to the pile.
- yobert 2y ago
  The ecosystem has settled on NetworkManager for desktops/laptops. The systemd ones are great for servers or VMs.
- Caligatio 2y ago
  The network config for out-of-the-box Ubuntu server has been stable for 6 years. You need to modify netplan's config: /etc/netplan/*.yaml (default is 00-installer-config.yaml). This renders volatile systemd-networkd configs in /run/systemd/network which, in turn, will configure systemd-resolved appropriately. If you've opted out of netplan, then you need to configure one of systemd-networkd or NetworkManager manually (on server, NetworkManager is only present if you've installed it). I personally used to be opposed to netplan but I had to do some very esoteric network configuration which was super easy with netplan.
  - bravetraveler 2y ago
    > I personally used to be opposed to netplan but I had to do some very esoteric network configuration which was super easy with netplan. Unless it still insists on realizing all state or no state, I think I still prefer the things doing the work for/underneath Netplan To your point, esoteric configurations. Netplan is all or nothing: done improperly, it can more easily break the whole house of cards. It tries/applies everything... where the others allow more utility
  - et1337 2y ago
    Ah right, I remember I ended up writing a netplan YAML. I still couldn’t get it to persist across reboots, and just resorted to running “sudo netplan apply” every time it rebooted.
okasaki 2y ago
Windows settings have always been bad, but the new UI is truly an atrocity. I think it's intentional because they don't really want users changing stuff, especially the spyware parts. Android is also truly horrible, with some settings (like privacy settings) redirecting you to a sluggish embedded remote web page.

jasonfarnon 2y ago

I actually thought everyone other than linux was forcing updates at this point. Do apple devices let you shut them off?

wpm 2y ago
Apple devices don't even turn it on. iOS devices it's offered to you during setup, but on the Mac only Rapid Security Responses and XProtect autoupdates are on by default. Changes are a simple toggle. Auto check, on or off. Auto install, on or off.

Throw_Away_1049 2y ago

I just purchased the new Surface Laptop (7) coming from MacOS. I boot it up, ads are in the start menu, ads are in the weather app, ads are in the email application, ads are in the notifications, and edge’s start screen. I research a bit and you much pay $70/year for the office suite and $20/month for copilot+. Yah, nah, already returned it and back with macOS.

Krssst 2y ago

> two system settings screens I dread the time when they remove the old one. Small settings that I like to tinker with are hidden here and I doubt program managers will care about them at all. Example: customizing the mouse theme. Seems frivolous, but without changing the text cursor, increasing the cursor size too much makes it very difficult to pinpoint text since the effect point is on the center of a big cursor rather than on a clearly defined edge.