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Does that 10% markup account for the Uber/lyft driver tip?

by acchow 2y ago

jessriedel 2y ago
Uber/Lyft drivers only get tips on 15-30% of rides, so tips are like ~3% of revenue. If you choose to tip, then prices are going to be very similar between Waymo and Uber/Lyft.
thesandlord 2y ago
In my experience, after tip Lyft/Uber are more expensive. The exception is during surges when Waymo's price shoots up like crazy.
MaxHoppersGhost 2y ago
You guys are tipping your Uber drivers? IIRC you couldn’t even tip until a few years ago.
- dventimi 2y ago
  Well, you can now, and I do. It's hard enough living in California and especially San Francisco, and I believe being in the service industry here is no picnic. Tipping is the least I can do.
  - abecedarius 2y ago
    I know this feels right, but introducing tip culture into a market currently free of it is bad. Where there's a norm of tipping, it doesn't make the servers more money than where there is not; what you should expect it to do is to decrease the quoted price and increase the variance of income to the servers. And incidentally increase the mental overhead for everyone, increase the artificiality of interactions, etc.
    - dventimi 2y ago
      > I know this feels right, but introducing tip culture into a market currently free of it is bad I couldn't possibly agree with this less. My view is that "it depends." Level salaries in San Francisco and I'll consider not tipping. Until then, I'm comfortable with my choices.
      - abecedarius 2y ago
        Do what you wish, of course. But you seem to think this helps to level income, given the "level salaries" bit. What I'm saying is it doesn't. Markets equilibrate; they adjust when the form of payment changes. I'd agree that after tipping culture is definitely established in a field, then stiffing someone is unfortunately bad, unless you can coordinate on reversing this harmful cultural norm. This is just very different from not helping to establish the harmful cultural norm, which is a positive, prosocial good; I believe you are doing the opposite of a prosocial good here, without realizing it. Of course I'm a fallible human.
        dventimi 2y ago
        Well. I don't want to speak for other people. If I were an Uber driver I personally would like to make more money rather than less, and if that happened with tips I wouldn't grumble too much about it. Maybe that's just me.
        abecedarius 2y ago
        Huh. Do you also think U.S. employees would be better off if Social Security had been created with a 12.4% tax paid by the employer, instead of a 12.4% tax paid half by the employer and half by the employee?
        dventimi 2y ago
        Non sequitur
        2y ago

Does that 10% markup account for the Uber/lyft driver tip?

by acchow 2y ago

Does that 10% markup account for the Uber/lyft driver tip?

Uber/Lyft drivers only get tips on 15-30% of rides, so tips are like ~3% of revenue. If you choose to tip, then prices are going to be very similar between Waymo and Uber/Lyft.

thesandlord 2y ago

In my experience, after tip Lyft/Uber are more expensive. The exception is during surges when Waymo's price shoots up like crazy.

MaxHoppersGhost 2y ago

You guys are tipping your Uber drivers? IIRC you couldn’t even tip until a few years ago.

dventimi 2y ago
Well, you can now, and I do. It's hard enough living in California and especially San Francisco, and I believe being in the service industry here is no picnic. Tipping is the least I can do.
- abecedarius 2y ago
  I know this feels right, but introducing tip culture into a market currently free of it is bad. Where there's a norm of tipping, it doesn't make the servers more money than where there is not; what you should expect it to do is to decrease the quoted price and increase the variance of income to the servers. And incidentally increase the mental overhead for everyone, increase the artificiality of interactions, etc.
  - dventimi 2y ago
    > I know this feels right, but introducing tip culture into a market currently free of it is bad I couldn't possibly agree with this less. My view is that "it depends." Level salaries in San Francisco and I'll consider not tipping. Until then, I'm comfortable with my choices.
    - abecedarius 2y ago
      Do what you wish, of course. But you seem to think this helps to level income, given the "level salaries" bit. What I'm saying is it doesn't. Markets equilibrate; they adjust when the form of payment changes. I'd agree that after tipping culture is definitely established in a field, then stiffing someone is unfortunately bad, unless you can coordinate on reversing this harmful cultural norm. This is just very different from not helping to establish the harmful cultural norm, which is a positive, prosocial good; I believe you are doing the opposite of a prosocial good here, without realizing it. Of course I'm a fallible human.
      - dventimi 2y ago
        Well. I don't want to speak for other people. If I were an Uber driver I personally would like to make more money rather than less, and if that happened with tips I wouldn't grumble too much about it. Maybe that's just me.
        abecedarius 2y ago
        Huh. Do you also think U.S. employees would be better off if Social Security had been created with a 12.4% tax paid by the employer, instead of a 12.4% tax paid half by the employer and half by the employee?
        dventimi 2y ago
        Non sequitur
        2y ago