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> Huawei is a brand known for its great tech innovations. Pardon me while I wipe the coffee spray off my screen. A whole lot of phone makers' dev teams just s

> Huawei is a brand known for its great tech innovations. Pardon me while I wipe the coffee spray off my screen. A whole lot of phone makers' dev teams just shouted in glee and gave each other fist bumps that Huawei is likely taking an expensive and doomed-to-failure detour.

ecshafer 2y ago
The Huawei phones I have seen in China have been very impressive and are least better than Samsung.
b112 2y ago
Existing "Western" coding languages might have democratic ideas. (I am wondering if this is the thought process, of the PRC appointed, unskilled person pushing this change.) https://machinelearningmastery.com/voting-ensembles-with-python/ https://machinelearningmastery.com/voting-ensembles-with-pyt... Oh no! Voting!
- uxp100 2y ago
  I would never call china democratic, but there is voting in china.
  - b112 2y ago
    That's not the point being made, but further, even a starving man often eats.
3cats-in-a-coat 2y ago
I think you've seen a few cheap Huawei phones and you don't know even 1/10 of their products. Don't be so dismissive and don't underestimate China.
- slothtrop 2y ago
  Ok, can you make the case they've been innovative?
  - segasaturn 2y ago
    Not sure if it meets your criteria for "innovative" (the word has become practically meaningless anyways), but the HarmonyOS [1] project is very interesting. Microkernel-based OS that runs across laptops, tablets, smartphones and IoT devices. It's great that we're finally getting a true competitor to the iOS and Android duopoly in the mobile space. 1: https://www.harmonyos.com/en/ https://www.harmonyos.com/en/
    - slothtrop 2y ago
      A crude way to put it would be to create something different that sells before being aped by competitors. That seems interesting. For proprietary mobile OS I always liked BB (so much for that..), but kind of hoping the linux distros get way, way better.
  - DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
    Two examples: 1. Huawei was the largest contributor to 5G development. 2. The P20 Pro significantly advanced the state of the art in phone cameras. It was hands-down the best phone camera available at the time. Unfortunately, soon after that phone came out, the US started sanctioning Huawei in basically every conceivable way, which made them go from market leader in Europe to basically nonexistent in the West.
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Justsignedup 2y ago
They're kinda the only game in town in China. Which translates to they can dictate what language chinese developers code in and lock out any potential non Huawei hardware while they sit on a monopoly.
- slothtrop 2y ago
  Aside from Xiaomi. Similarly, Taiwan has TSMC and SK has Samsung.
jasonvorhe 2y ago
iirc Huawei shipped one of the first mainstream folding phones at a time when their only competition was Samsung and they both released them around the same time. Huawei also did fancy stuff with their cameras during their partnership with Leica and they even started the trend of putting periscope zoom lenses in phones if I'm not mistaken. Their SoC Kirin 970 had the first NPU when all other vendors didn't yet ship any neural acceleration in hardware. Sure, they're probably stealing from the competition, but so does everyone else. They're also doing remarkable stuff with modern mobile SoCs despite Western sanctions.
- sky2224 2y ago
  My guess though is that it's all just a show. I really doubt that other companies are incapable of producing devices like that. They just don't launch them because they're probably not viable one way or another (quality control, demand, ROI, etc). And yeah they're definitely stealing. Huawei has been caught pretty blatantly doing so.

ecshafer 2y ago

The Huawei phones I have seen in China have been very impressive and are least better than Samsung.

b112 2y ago

Existing "Western" coding languages might have democratic ideas. (I am wondering if this is the thought process, of the PRC appointed, unskilled person pushing this change.) https://machinelearningmastery.com/voting-ensembles-with-python/ https://machinelearningmastery.com/voting-ensembles-with-pyt... Oh no! Voting!

uxp100 2y ago
I would never call china democratic, but there is voting in china.
- b112 2y ago
  That's not the point being made, but further, even a starving man often eats.

3cats-in-a-coat 2y ago

I think you've seen a few cheap Huawei phones and you don't know even 1/10 of their products. Don't be so dismissive and don't underestimate China.

slothtrop 2y ago
Ok, can you make the case they've been innovative?
- segasaturn 2y ago
  Not sure if it meets your criteria for "innovative" (the word has become practically meaningless anyways), but the HarmonyOS [1] project is very interesting. Microkernel-based OS that runs across laptops, tablets, smartphones and IoT devices. It's great that we're finally getting a true competitor to the iOS and Android duopoly in the mobile space. 1: https://www.harmonyos.com/en/ https://www.harmonyos.com/en/
  - slothtrop 2y ago
    A crude way to put it would be to create something different that sells before being aped by competitors. That seems interesting. For proprietary mobile OS I always liked BB (so much for that..), but kind of hoping the linux distros get way, way better.
- DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
  Two examples: 1. Huawei was the largest contributor to 5G development. 2. The P20 Pro significantly advanced the state of the art in phone cameras. It was hands-down the best phone camera available at the time. Unfortunately, soon after that phone came out, the US started sanctioning Huawei in basically every conceivable way, which made them go from market leader in Europe to basically nonexistent in the West.

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Justsignedup 2y ago

They're kinda the only game in town in China. Which translates to they can dictate what language chinese developers code in and lock out any potential non Huawei hardware while they sit on a monopoly.

slothtrop 2y ago
Aside from Xiaomi. Similarly, Taiwan has TSMC and SK has Samsung.

jasonvorhe 2y ago

iirc Huawei shipped one of the first mainstream folding phones at a time when their only competition was Samsung and they both released them around the same time. Huawei also did fancy stuff with their cameras during their partnership with Leica and they even started the trend of putting periscope zoom lenses in phones if I'm not mistaken. Their SoC Kirin 970 had the first NPU when all other vendors didn't yet ship any neural acceleration in hardware. Sure, they're probably stealing from the competition, but so does everyone else. They're also doing remarkable stuff with modern mobile SoCs despite Western sanctions.

sky2224 2y ago
My guess though is that it's all just a show. I really doubt that other companies are incapable of producing devices like that. They just don't launch them because they're probably not viable one way or another (quality control, demand, ROI, etc). And yeah they're definitely stealing. Huawei has been caught pretty blatantly doing so.