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>The US invaded 7 different countries and killed upwards of a million civilians by some estimates in this century alone. Should the same measures be applied to

>The US invaded 7 different countries and killed upwards of a million civilians by some estimates in this century alone. Should the same measures be applied to it, or is it “different” and I “don’t understand” By the countries the US invaded, during the invasion - you bet. >How about Israel? I'm guessing Iran isn't a big user of Israeli software.

ein0p 2y ago
The US is a major user of Israeli software and hardware though, Mossad notwithstanding. Seems imprudent from the “national security” perspective
- romwell 2y ago
  Last time I checked, Israel wasn't waging a war with the US or any of the countries US allies or partners with for security. Conversely, the US and Israel are security partners. How much mental gymnastics does one have to do to ignore the fact that the entire thing is about Russia waging a war in which the US is on the other side?
  - ein0p 2y ago
    Israel controls US foreign policy lock stock and barrel, and increasingly its domestic policy as well. If there ever was a threat to national security, this is it.
    - racional 2y ago
      The formulation you've chosen here is rather crudely hyperbolic, and not particularly helpful. "Israel controls certain aspects of ..." would be somewhat more in the direction of a fair statement. But it's still not accurate. It's definitely quite fair to talk about something called the "Israel lobby", which by definition is made up of American citizens, and not even necessarily Jewish, which obviously does exert a great degree of control over, to be clear -- certain aspects of policy within the U.S. But the Israeli government per se does not.
      - racional 2y ago
        But the Israeli government per se does not. Though we may need to qualify that: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/24/israel-fund-us-university-protest-gaza-antisemitism https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/24/israel...
        romwell 2y ago
        Yes, government engages in PR work. How unusual.
        racional 2y ago
        Depends what you mean by "public relations": Haaretz and the New York Times recently revealed that Chikli’s ministry had tapped a public relations firm to secretly pressure American lawmakers. The firm used hundreds of fake accounts posting pro-Israel or anti-Muslim content on X (formerly Twitter), Facebook and Instagram.
        romwell 2y ago
        Oh no, not the FB an Instagram posts! By a public relations[1] firm, at that. Posting content on social media is totally an example of checks notes[2] >"Israel controls US foreign policy lock stock and barrel, and increasingly its domestic policy as well. If there ever was a threat to national security, this is it." I am now absolutely convinced that Israel is an evil regime, very different from any other government on planet Earth. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40756391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40756391
    - romwell 2y ago
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ein0p 2y ago

The US is a major user of Israeli software and hardware though, Mossad notwithstanding. Seems imprudent from the “national security” perspective

romwell 2y ago
Last time I checked, Israel wasn't waging a war with the US or any of the countries US allies or partners with for security. Conversely, the US and Israel are security partners. How much mental gymnastics does one have to do to ignore the fact that the entire thing is about Russia waging a war in which the US is on the other side?
- ein0p 2y ago
  Israel controls US foreign policy lock stock and barrel, and increasingly its domestic policy as well. If there ever was a threat to national security, this is it.
  - racional 2y ago
    The formulation you've chosen here is rather crudely hyperbolic, and not particularly helpful. "Israel controls certain aspects of ..." would be somewhat more in the direction of a fair statement. But it's still not accurate. It's definitely quite fair to talk about something called the "Israel lobby", which by definition is made up of American citizens, and not even necessarily Jewish, which obviously does exert a great degree of control over, to be clear -- certain aspects of policy within the U.S. But the Israeli government per se does not.
    - racional 2y ago
      But the Israeli government per se does not. Though we may need to qualify that: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/24/israel-fund-us-university-protest-gaza-antisemitism https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/24/israel...
      - romwell 2y ago
        Yes, government engages in PR work. How unusual.
        racional 2y ago
        Depends what you mean by "public relations": Haaretz and the New York Times recently revealed that Chikli’s ministry had tapped a public relations firm to secretly pressure American lawmakers. The firm used hundreds of fake accounts posting pro-Israel or anti-Muslim content on X (formerly Twitter), Facebook and Instagram.
        romwell 2y ago
        Oh no, not the FB an Instagram posts! By a public relations[1] firm, at that. Posting content on social media is totally an example of checks notes[2] >"Israel controls US foreign policy lock stock and barrel, and increasingly its domestic policy as well. If there ever was a threat to national security, this is it." I am now absolutely convinced that Israel is an evil regime, very different from any other government on planet Earth. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40756391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40756391
  - romwell 2y ago
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