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I concur that HN is a liminal superspace whose character is slippery and so fit for rummagings in the murk, dang is a Taoist best sovereign whose existence is o

I concur that HN is a liminal superspace whose character is slippery and so fit for rummagings in the murk, dang is a Taoist best sovereign whose existence is only dimly felt*, etc etc but all I really want to for now is to uh serialize something bothering me since mistermann replied.. quite localized to procrustean-physicism... maybe physicists are hedgehogs who imagine themselves foxes, but then it occurred to me that it might be true that most non-French non-logician mathematicians tend to stay away from wider sociopolitical commentary (unless prodded) I can think of reasons, but some implications are clear? 1. Kolmogorov thought of himself as more of a mathematician than a physicist. 2. Arnol'd was heavily frenchified, but had to rationalize that. (In particular, his students didn't inherit his attitudes?) 3. Galois was pretty normal. 4. Grothendieck was special but found a way to resolve the inner and outer (cultural) game. 5. Kaczynski.. too much of a logician? (Dare I suggest he was special XD?) Back to scheduled programming, over and out. *Preceding Jefferson, Spinoza, etc https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E9%81%93%E5%BE%B7%E7%BB%8F%C2%B7%E5%A4%AA%E4%B8%8A%EF%BC%8C%E4%B8%8D%E7%9F%A5%E6%9C%89%E4%B9%8B/7637601 https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E9%81%93%E5%BE%B7%E7%BB%8F%C2%...

vinnyvichy 2y ago
*second best, for by Chapter58/spinozoan formalization PG** was the creator..and thus worthier of being 太上 "You are what you symbolicate" **https://youtu.be/EEwPXdbKG8U https://youtu.be/EEwPXdbKG8U Oops, let's not get distracted.. EDIT: according to later commentators this is a popular misreading, but in this case the masses were correct? https://www.aisixiang.com/data/117662.html https://www.aisixiang.com/data/117662.html
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  Upon reflection, thanks for "♥ reflections"; I see the commentary there doesn't use the Star Wars Sith analogy I prefer, but instead talks (after Allison?) about a 修昔底德 trap. Is there any english-language equivalent to this site? Did it grown organically out of the tradition of posting essays and counter-essays on village walls?
  - vinnyvichy 2y ago
    You don't mean substack? Both ssc & robin hanson are on it
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      Could be! For some reason I was thinking of substack as more "subscribe to my newsletter" writing than "here's my bibliography" writing, but I could easily have prematurely stereotyped...
082349872349872 2y ago
Re: Kaczynski, I think he stopped being an analyst in 1969, and switched to being a non-mathematician prepper? (and usually analysis is pretty far from logic in various people's maps of mathematics, but here's an exception, in which the "plains of analysis" [sic] are right next to the "ocean of logic": https://utenti.quipo.it/base5/scuola/mate_metafor_mathematistan.gif https://utenti.quipo.it/base5/scuola/mate_metafor_mathematis... ) For some reason non-French non-logician non-social-commentariens remind me of https://existentialcomics.com/comic/541 https://existentialcomics.com/comic/541 Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TilQ8BIHisw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TilQ8BIHisw (unfortunately going in the other direction, as with Yuri and Tonya Zhivago, I believe Vladimir Vysotsky might've done better —at least healthwise if not artistically— to have spent much more time in Paris with Marina)
mistermann 2y ago
> dang is a Taoist The Rationalists got one thing right at least: "We are only aspiring Rationalists". (I would add: "Or so it may seem.") See also: Science, Humanism/Skepticism, Atheism, etc. > maybe physicists are hedgehogs who imagine themselves foxes Maybe....but one thing that can be observed is that they often imagine themselves to be omniscient. > Kaczynski.. too much of a logician? (Dare I suggest he was special XD?) You may!
- vinnyvichy 2y ago
  Haha touche. Btw.. I didn't want to look like I was the kind of person to put valproate [experimental protocols] in the same bin as psychedelics (which are tainted with profit and other motives).. I just thought it would be a minor step forward if we could observe and manipulate our own learning processeses (as something close to sensations?).. as opposed to being limited to observing what children or experts do.
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    Have psychedelics changed since my day? They used to be dirt cheap, which pretty much kept all the profit-chasers away. I guess th' freaks did have their own motives, tho
mistermann 2y ago
> I can think of reasons, but some implications are clear? I have a feeling I have missed something important here.

vinnyvichy 2y ago

*second best, for by Chapter58/spinozoan formalization PG** was the creator..and thus worthier of being 太上 "You are what you symbolicate" **https://youtu.be/EEwPXdbKG8U https://youtu.be/EEwPXdbKG8U Oops, let's not get distracted.. EDIT: according to later commentators this is a popular misreading, but in this case the masses were correct? https://www.aisixiang.com/data/117662.html https://www.aisixiang.com/data/117662.html

082349872349872 2y ago
Upon reflection, thanks for "♥ reflections"; I see the commentary there doesn't use the Star Wars Sith analogy I prefer, but instead talks (after Allison?) about a 修昔底德 trap. Is there any english-language equivalent to this site? Did it grown organically out of the tradition of posting essays and counter-essays on village walls?
- vinnyvichy 2y ago
  You don't mean substack? Both ssc & robin hanson are on it
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    Could be! For some reason I was thinking of substack as more "subscribe to my newsletter" writing than "here's my bibliography" writing, but I could easily have prematurely stereotyped...

082349872349872 2y ago

Re: Kaczynski, I think he stopped being an analyst in 1969, and switched to being a non-mathematician prepper? (and usually analysis is pretty far from logic in various people's maps of mathematics, but here's an exception, in which the "plains of analysis" [sic] are right next to the "ocean of logic": https://utenti.quipo.it/base5/scuola/mate_metafor_mathematistan.gif https://utenti.quipo.it/base5/scuola/mate_metafor_mathematis... ) For some reason non-French non-logician non-social-commentariens remind me of https://existentialcomics.com/comic/541 https://existentialcomics.com/comic/541 Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TilQ8BIHisw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TilQ8BIHisw (unfortunately going in the other direction, as with Yuri and Tonya Zhivago, I believe Vladimir Vysotsky might've done better —at least healthwise if not artistically— to have spent much more time in Paris with Marina)

mistermann 2y ago

> dang is a Taoist The Rationalists got one thing right at least: "We are only aspiring Rationalists". (I would add: "Or so it may seem.") See also: Science, Humanism/Skepticism, Atheism, etc. > maybe physicists are hedgehogs who imagine themselves foxes Maybe....but one thing that can be observed is that they often imagine themselves to be omniscient. > Kaczynski.. too much of a logician? (Dare I suggest he was special XD?) You may!

vinnyvichy 2y ago
Haha touche. Btw.. I didn't want to look like I was the kind of person to put valproate [experimental protocols] in the same bin as psychedelics (which are tainted with profit and other motives).. I just thought it would be a minor step forward if we could observe and manipulate our own learning processeses (as something close to sensations?).. as opposed to being limited to observing what children or experts do.
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  Have psychedelics changed since my day? They used to be dirt cheap, which pretty much kept all the profit-chasers away. I guess th' freaks did have their own motives, tho

mistermann 2y ago

> I can think of reasons, but some implications are clear? I have a feeling I have missed something important here.