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> keeping some strange company Actually, that's this community. I do understand. Money is the only metric that matters, here, as it's really an entrepreneur fo

> keeping some strange company Actually, that's this community. I do understand. Money is the only metric that matters, here, as it's really an entrepreneur forum. Everyone wants to be rich, and they aren't particularly tolerant of anything that might interfere with that. But I'm not going anywhere. It's actually fun, here. I learn new stuff, all the time.

layer8 2y ago
HN is not really a community.
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
  I believe that it is. In my opinion and experience, any group of humans, interacting, on a regular basis, in a common venue, becomes a community. I guess that it is a matter of definition. I treat it as if it were a community, and that I am a member of that community, with rights and Responsibilities, thereof. I know that lots of folks like to treat Internet (and, in some cases, IRL) communities as public toilets, but I'm not one of them. I feel that it is a privilege to hang out here, and don't want to piss in the punch bowl, so I'm rather careful about my interactions here. I do find it a bit distressing, to see folks behaving like trolls, here. A lot of pretty heavy-duty folks participate on HN, but I guess the casual nature of the interactions, encourages folks to lose touch with that. I think that it is really cool, that I could post a comment, and have an OG respond. I suspect that won't happen, too often, if I'm screeching and flinging poo.
- justin_oaks 2y ago
  Just like in-person communities, you'll have general consensus on some ideas and fierce disagreement in others. You'll have people who are kind and those who are hateful. You can identify that there may be a trend within a community without declaring that everyone in the community thinks the exact same way. And you could also be wrong about that trend because the majority is silent on the issue and you bump up against the vocal minority. Perhaps you can elaborate on what a community is, and how HN differs from one.
  - layer8 2y ago
    The topical interests, general characteristics, experiences and opinions of HN members are too diverse to qualify as a community, IMO. There may be subsets that could qualify as a community, and if you only look at certain kinds/topics of submissions it might feel like one, but they are mixed within a larger heterogeneous crowd here.
    - justin_oaks 2y ago
      Thanks, that clarifies a lot.
    - ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
      I feel that a community can def be heterogenous AF. I participate in exactly that type of (IRL) community, and it is worldwide. It does require some common focus, and common agreement that the community is important. I do believe that we have those, here. The "common focus" may not be immediately apparent, but I think everyone here shares a desire to be involved in technology; which can mean a few things, but I'll lay odds that we could find a definition that everyone could agree on. It is possible. I guarantee it.
krisoft 2y ago
> Money is the only metric that matters, here Says who? Did I agree to that when I subscribed? > Everyone wants to be rich, Everyone? Like me too? Tell me more about that. You in an earlier comment said that people believe that you are "a stuck-up prig". Are you sure it is due to your moral stance, and not because you are judgemental, and abrasive about it? Perhaps if you would be less set in your mind about how you think everyone is you wouldn't come through as "a stuck-up prig". Maybe we would even find common grounds between us.
ben_w 2y ago
> Money is the only metric that matters, here, as it's really an entrepreneur forum. Everyone wants to be rich This place is surprisingly mixed in that regard given its origin; a significant number of comments I see about Apple, about OpenAI, about Paul Graham, are essentially anti-capitalist. The vibe I get seems predominately hacker-vibe rather than entrepreneur-vibe. That said, I'm also well aware of the "orange site bad" meme, so this vibe I get may be biased by which links' I find interesting enough to look at the discussions of.
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
  Yeah, it was a snarky comment, and not my proudest moment, but it does apply to a significant number of folks. I tend to enjoy the contributions from folks that don't have that priority. The demoralizing part, is folks that are getting screwed by The Big Dogs, and totally reflect the behavior; even though TBD think of them as "subhuman."

layer8 2y ago

HN is not really a community.

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
I believe that it is. In my opinion and experience, any group of humans, interacting, on a regular basis, in a common venue, becomes a community. I guess that it is a matter of definition. I treat it as if it were a community, and that I am a member of that community, with rights and Responsibilities, thereof. I know that lots of folks like to treat Internet (and, in some cases, IRL) communities as public toilets, but I'm not one of them. I feel that it is a privilege to hang out here, and don't want to piss in the punch bowl, so I'm rather careful about my interactions here. I do find it a bit distressing, to see folks behaving like trolls, here. A lot of pretty heavy-duty folks participate on HN, but I guess the casual nature of the interactions, encourages folks to lose touch with that. I think that it is really cool, that I could post a comment, and have an OG respond. I suspect that won't happen, too often, if I'm screeching and flinging poo.
justin_oaks 2y ago
Just like in-person communities, you'll have general consensus on some ideas and fierce disagreement in others. You'll have people who are kind and those who are hateful. You can identify that there may be a trend within a community without declaring that everyone in the community thinks the exact same way. And you could also be wrong about that trend because the majority is silent on the issue and you bump up against the vocal minority. Perhaps you can elaborate on what a community is, and how HN differs from one.
- layer8 2y ago
  The topical interests, general characteristics, experiences and opinions of HN members are too diverse to qualify as a community, IMO. There may be subsets that could qualify as a community, and if you only look at certain kinds/topics of submissions it might feel like one, but they are mixed within a larger heterogeneous crowd here.
  - justin_oaks 2y ago
    Thanks, that clarifies a lot.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
    I feel that a community can def be heterogenous AF. I participate in exactly that type of (IRL) community, and it is worldwide. It does require some common focus, and common agreement that the community is important. I do believe that we have those, here. The "common focus" may not be immediately apparent, but I think everyone here shares a desire to be involved in technology; which can mean a few things, but I'll lay odds that we could find a definition that everyone could agree on. It is possible. I guarantee it.

krisoft 2y ago

> Money is the only metric that matters, here Says who? Did I agree to that when I subscribed? > Everyone wants to be rich, Everyone? Like me too? Tell me more about that. You in an earlier comment said that people believe that you are "a stuck-up prig". Are you sure it is due to your moral stance, and not because you are judgemental, and abrasive about it? Perhaps if you would be less set in your mind about how you think everyone is you wouldn't come through as "a stuck-up prig". Maybe we would even find common grounds between us.

ben_w 2y ago

> Money is the only metric that matters, here, as it's really an entrepreneur forum. Everyone wants to be rich This place is surprisingly mixed in that regard given its origin; a significant number of comments I see about Apple, about OpenAI, about Paul Graham, are essentially anti-capitalist. The vibe I get seems predominately hacker-vibe rather than entrepreneur-vibe. That said, I'm also well aware of the "orange site bad" meme, so this vibe I get may be biased by which links' I find interesting enough to look at the discussions of.

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
Yeah, it was a snarky comment, and not my proudest moment, but it does apply to a significant number of folks. I tend to enjoy the contributions from folks that don't have that priority. The demoralizing part, is folks that are getting screwed by The Big Dogs, and totally reflect the behavior; even though TBD think of them as "subhuman."