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Sounds too expensive. At that point it’s easier to go to the US to do a masters degree in STEM and get a 3 year legal work permit and try to work from there.

betaby 2y ago
Can you point out how? Is there a guide?
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  As alephnerd has pointed out elsewhere in these comments, hoping for "a guide" to a process that's nearly trivially researched on one's own is almost begging to be rolled. (FWIW, in my online threat model, "30 second" explanations have a default weighting of malicious, and I'm guessing the cutover occurs somewhere around "3 hours"... Of course, you didn't take longer than 30s to read the previous sentence, so don't forget to double check my claim before relying upon it!)
- alexhutcheson 2y ago
  I’ve seen this book recommended, but have not personally read it: https://www.unshackled.club/book https://www.unshackled.club/book
- red-iron-pine 2y ago
  get decent grades, apply as an international student to Uni's on the undergrad or grad level, secure loans, graduate. once graduated, most places offer rubber stamp visas to keep international grads; use that, get a job locally, and then hang out until you qualify for residency / green card. not esp. difficult, conceptually speaking. the devil is in the details, but its impossible to write a guide for every country and Uni. like Ontario vs. Alberta will be different, vs. California, vs. the UK, etc. etc.
alephnerd 2y ago
Yeah, but you actually need to study and work hard to do that. And at that point, there wouldn't be a reason to immigrate to the US, because education and $100k in assets in India, China, and Vietnam is enough to start a successful business or your political career. The people who take this route are at best ignorant and at worst idiots (and my family is from one of these villages where people would take the Dunki route abroad) > The second, serving migrants from India, offers charter flights to Central America and overland transfers to the U.S. border for between 6 million ($72,000) and 8 million rupees ($96,000) per person – in many instances with full payment due after arrival in the U.S, according to Indian court documents and K.T. Kamariya, a deputy superintendent of police in the western Indian state of Gujarat investigating illegal migration.
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  Having watched the video for Main Tera Rasta Dekhunga did I just get a trailer for Dunki in passing?
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    Lmao. Didn't watch Dunki (it looked stupid) but it's common sense. The people who would get the most advantages for being undocumented immigrants (the rural poor and working class) cannot afford either any immigration route to the west. The only people who can afford it are the subset of the rural elite (ie. Those with land) who are ignorant.
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      > it looked stupid In high school, a friend complained that his mother only watched the sort of movie "with two people who love each other passionately but can't marry because they have the wrong colour dots". Unfortunately for my movie-going, soon after I realised that Hollywood follows nearly the same formula, only the star-crossed (yet happy-ended) characters' dots are not on their foreheads, but left implicit. [tbf, Bound (1996) did feature an unusual-for-the-time pair of incompatible dots. Try separating artist from art in that one!]
      - alephnerd 2y ago
        I meant it was a stereotypical pastiche "Punjab" and trivialized the horrors and pains of undocumented immigration. Umrika [0] and Zinda Bhaag [1] were much better movies about undocumented immigration. [0] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EjDS6P_aqcI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EjDS6P_aqcI [1] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rjBIfC96BRc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rjBIfC96BRc
        082349872349872 2y ago
        dhanyavaad! (sorry for applying Cunningham's law)
Mountain_Skies 2y ago
That's one way of doing it and the path many take but earning an MS in a STEM field is quite a lot of work and beyond the abilities of many. People come into money many ways, not all of them through hard work. $72k is a small trade off for some, especially those who can integrate into an existing network of their kinfolk already in the US so "living in the shadows" doesn't become much of a burden. Plus they don't have to spend years of their life toiling away towards a degree they might have no interest in. Entering illegally and joining a family network reaps benefits immediately.
moralestapia 2y ago
>At that point it’s easier [...] Hmm ... no? Rent + living expenses + tuition for two years is way more than that. Even in really cheap places in the US. Plus, you have to account that for certain nationalities everything is more complicated, i.e. expensive.

betaby 2y ago

Can you point out how? Is there a guide?

082349872349872 2y ago
As alephnerd has pointed out elsewhere in these comments, hoping for "a guide" to a process that's nearly trivially researched on one's own is almost begging to be rolled. (FWIW, in my online threat model, "30 second" explanations have a default weighting of malicious, and I'm guessing the cutover occurs somewhere around "3 hours"... Of course, you didn't take longer than 30s to read the previous sentence, so don't forget to double check my claim before relying upon it!)
alexhutcheson 2y ago
I’ve seen this book recommended, but have not personally read it: https://www.unshackled.club/book https://www.unshackled.club/book
red-iron-pine 2y ago
get decent grades, apply as an international student to Uni's on the undergrad or grad level, secure loans, graduate. once graduated, most places offer rubber stamp visas to keep international grads; use that, get a job locally, and then hang out until you qualify for residency / green card. not esp. difficult, conceptually speaking. the devil is in the details, but its impossible to write a guide for every country and Uni. like Ontario vs. Alberta will be different, vs. California, vs. the UK, etc. etc.

alephnerd 2y ago

Yeah, but you actually need to study and work hard to do that. And at that point, there wouldn't be a reason to immigrate to the US, because education and $100k in assets in India, China, and Vietnam is enough to start a successful business or your political career. The people who take this route are at best ignorant and at worst idiots (and my family is from one of these villages where people would take the Dunki route abroad) > The second, serving migrants from India, offers charter flights to Central America and overland transfers to the U.S. border for between 6 million ($72,000) and 8 million rupees ($96,000) per person – in many instances with full payment due after arrival in the U.S, according to Indian court documents and K.T. Kamariya, a deputy superintendent of police in the western Indian state of Gujarat investigating illegal migration.

082349872349872 2y ago
Having watched the video for Main Tera Rasta Dekhunga did I just get a trailer for Dunki in passing?
- alephnerd 2y ago
  Lmao. Didn't watch Dunki (it looked stupid) but it's common sense. The people who would get the most advantages for being undocumented immigrants (the rural poor and working class) cannot afford either any immigration route to the west. The only people who can afford it are the subset of the rural elite (ie. Those with land) who are ignorant.
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    > it looked stupid In high school, a friend complained that his mother only watched the sort of movie "with two people who love each other passionately but can't marry because they have the wrong colour dots". Unfortunately for my movie-going, soon after I realised that Hollywood follows nearly the same formula, only the star-crossed (yet happy-ended) characters' dots are not on their foreheads, but left implicit. [tbf, Bound (1996) did feature an unusual-for-the-time pair of incompatible dots. Try separating artist from art in that one!]
    - alephnerd 2y ago
      I meant it was a stereotypical pastiche "Punjab" and trivialized the horrors and pains of undocumented immigration. Umrika [0] and Zinda Bhaag [1] were much better movies about undocumented immigration. [0] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EjDS6P_aqcI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EjDS6P_aqcI [1] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rjBIfC96BRc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rjBIfC96BRc
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        dhanyavaad! (sorry for applying Cunningham's law)

Mountain_Skies 2y ago

That's one way of doing it and the path many take but earning an MS in a STEM field is quite a lot of work and beyond the abilities of many. People come into money many ways, not all of them through hard work. $72k is a small trade off for some, especially those who can integrate into an existing network of their kinfolk already in the US so "living in the shadows" doesn't become much of a burden. Plus they don't have to spend years of their life toiling away towards a degree they might have no interest in. Entering illegally and joining a family network reaps benefits immediately.

moralestapia 2y ago

>At that point it’s easier [...] Hmm ... no? Rent + living expenses + tuition for two years is way more than that. Even in really cheap places in the US. Plus, you have to account that for certain nationalities everything is more complicated, i.e. expensive.