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Most of the these routes are organized by Russian state actors to be used as a political weapon. The money paid by the would-be immigrants are also eventually g

Most of the these routes are organized by Russian state actors to be used as a political weapon. The money paid by the would-be immigrants are also eventually going back to Russia.

secondcoming 2y ago
I know Russia and Belarus are playing games sending immigrants to the borders of Finland and Poland respectively, but is there proof they’re involved in the US/Mexico border?
- atemerev 2y ago
  I can't find definitive proof in open sources, but yes, Russia smuggles migrants to Poland, to Finland, establishes control for the migration routes via Sahel to Southern Europe (https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/africa-file-may-9-2024-america-and-russia%E2%80%99s-shifting-roles-west-africa https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/africa-file-ma...), why wouldn't they do the same for the US southern border? The presence of Russian-speaking smugglers on the Mexican border is well documented (https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/russian-migrant-smugglers-us-southern-border/); https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/russian-migrant-smuggl... their link to the Russian government is yet to be clearly established, but I have little doubt.
  - ClumsyPilot 2y ago
    That happens from the territory of Russia This is preposterous, you can’t blame Russia for every random domestic problem in USA.
nmhdan 2y ago
Could you explain how this can be used as a political weapon? Both parties in the U.S. seem quite happy with the perennial Mexican border topic that is used to distract from other issues. I think neither party actually wants to stop anything. Republican farmers in the south need the labor, urban Democrats need voters (or so they think) and virtue signalling.
- thinkingtoilet 2y ago
  >urban Democrats need voters Immigrants can't vote. Let's just make that clear because it's a common right-wing talking point that is provably wrong and steeped in bigotry.
  - qaq 2y ago
    Well it's being helped by the talking point of requiring ID to vote is racist
    - javagram 2y ago
      The ID voting requirements are about keeping marginalized American citizens from voting (seniors, poor people who are bad at managing their documents, etc). Studies have been done of before/after ID requirements have been added in various states and there’s no indication that illegal aliens were taking advantage. Maybe a few anecdotes of people with a green card who were confused about the requirements - the illegally present usually try to stay as far from the government as they can.
      - qaq 2y ago
        That does not sound even remotely plausible there are way more mundane activities that all require IDs.The study like that is purely meaningless because you can not control for all the other variables of societal change in the same time frame. I can take any other variable and claim it's the cause of the decline. Also I spent most of my life in Europe in way more left leaning countries than US and this is not even remotely on the radar of anyone.
    - trealira 2y ago
      It's also being helped by the fact that the right wing has a history of attempting to restrict votes, from mass purging of voter rolls without telling people, to closing voting sites such that voting in-person requires traveling farther and waiting longer in line, to making it illegal to hand out food or water to people at voting sites (in Georgia), to having gutted the VRA in 2013 with Shelby v Holder, which is often what allows them to do this in the first place. I have no faith voter ID laws wouldn't be used simply to further suppress votes in states where Republicans control the state legislature; and yes, often in racist ways, because non-white people tend to support the left more than white people, so suppressing their votes (often those of rural black or Hispanic voters) is beneficial to Republicans.
nullchan 2y ago
Lol, the delusion of blaming everything on Russia!
- pelagicAustral 2y ago
  Some many people these days seems to have a coin with Russia and China on each side, they flip it and then comment.
  - atemerev 2y ago
    Well, I am Russian who has left the country for political reasons. I have some idea of what Russian government is capable of, and how critically they are interested in destabilizing the West.
  - reducesuffering 2y ago
    It's not out of the question. Belarus, supported by Russia in this instance, is confirmed to use illegal migration as a political weapon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93European_Union_border_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93European_Union...
123yawaworht456 2y ago
why did comrade Trump try to stem the tide then?
- atemerev 2y ago
  To solve the "crisis", you need to fabricate the crisis first. Trump works with his Kremlin friends to create the very "problem" he promises to solve.
forloni 2y ago
The immigration to the US is the collateral damage of the bad US foreign policies towards those countries. Those "banana republics" are poor because the big companies own the banana business. The poor people flee to the US. Same with Syria. But in the case the immigration went to Europe, not the US. Again Europe f-ed up.
ClumsyPilot 2y ago
Russian propaganda always blames US state department for all kinds of random problems in Russia. Navalny was accused of being a CIA asset, Middle East instability was there as some kind of sinister plot against Russia, even potholes in the road are somehow part of the plan. I never thought I would see this get mirrored in the West. Now there are people that believe that Russia blew up its own nordstream, that every bit on twitter is Russian bot, but there are no western bots, etc Like I get that they are a sinister opponent, but you can’t blame everything on them

Most of the these routes are organized by Russian state actors to be used as a political weapon. The money paid by the would-be immigrants are also eventually going back to Russia.

secondcoming 2y ago

I know Russia and Belarus are playing games sending immigrants to the borders of Finland and Poland respectively, but is there proof they’re involved in the US/Mexico border?

atemerev 2y ago
I can't find definitive proof in open sources, but yes, Russia smuggles migrants to Poland, to Finland, establishes control for the migration routes via Sahel to Southern Europe (https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/africa-file-may-9-2024-america-and-russia%E2%80%99s-shifting-roles-west-africa https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/africa-file-ma...), why wouldn't they do the same for the US southern border? The presence of Russian-speaking smugglers on the Mexican border is well documented (https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/russian-migrant-smugglers-us-southern-border/); https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/russian-migrant-smuggl... their link to the Russian government is yet to be clearly established, but I have little doubt.
- ClumsyPilot 2y ago
  That happens from the territory of Russia This is preposterous, you can’t blame Russia for every random domestic problem in USA.

nmhdan 2y ago

Could you explain how this can be used as a political weapon? Both parties in the U.S. seem quite happy with the perennial Mexican border topic that is used to distract from other issues. I think neither party actually wants to stop anything. Republican farmers in the south need the labor, urban Democrats need voters (or so they think) and virtue signalling.

thinkingtoilet 2y ago
>urban Democrats need voters Immigrants can't vote. Let's just make that clear because it's a common right-wing talking point that is provably wrong and steeped in bigotry.
- qaq 2y ago
  Well it's being helped by the talking point of requiring ID to vote is racist
  - javagram 2y ago
    The ID voting requirements are about keeping marginalized American citizens from voting (seniors, poor people who are bad at managing their documents, etc). Studies have been done of before/after ID requirements have been added in various states and there’s no indication that illegal aliens were taking advantage. Maybe a few anecdotes of people with a green card who were confused about the requirements - the illegally present usually try to stay as far from the government as they can.
    - qaq 2y ago
      That does not sound even remotely plausible there are way more mundane activities that all require IDs.The study like that is purely meaningless because you can not control for all the other variables of societal change in the same time frame. I can take any other variable and claim it's the cause of the decline. Also I spent most of my life in Europe in way more left leaning countries than US and this is not even remotely on the radar of anyone.
  - trealira 2y ago
    It's also being helped by the fact that the right wing has a history of attempting to restrict votes, from mass purging of voter rolls without telling people, to closing voting sites such that voting in-person requires traveling farther and waiting longer in line, to making it illegal to hand out food or water to people at voting sites (in Georgia), to having gutted the VRA in 2013 with Shelby v Holder, which is often what allows them to do this in the first place. I have no faith voter ID laws wouldn't be used simply to further suppress votes in states where Republicans control the state legislature; and yes, often in racist ways, because non-white people tend to support the left more than white people, so suppressing their votes (often those of rural black or Hispanic voters) is beneficial to Republicans.

nullchan 2y ago

Lol, the delusion of blaming everything on Russia!

pelagicAustral 2y ago
Some many people these days seems to have a coin with Russia and China on each side, they flip it and then comment.
- atemerev 2y ago
  Well, I am Russian who has left the country for political reasons. I have some idea of what Russian government is capable of, and how critically they are interested in destabilizing the West.
- reducesuffering 2y ago
  It's not out of the question. Belarus, supported by Russia in this instance, is confirmed to use illegal migration as a political weapon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93European_Union_border_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93European_Union...

123yawaworht456 2y ago

why did comrade Trump try to stem the tide then?

atemerev 2y ago
To solve the "crisis", you need to fabricate the crisis first. Trump works with his Kremlin friends to create the very "problem" he promises to solve.

forloni 2y ago

The immigration to the US is the collateral damage of the bad US foreign policies towards those countries. Those "banana republics" are poor because the big companies own the banana business. The poor people flee to the US. Same with Syria. But in the case the immigration went to Europe, not the US. Again Europe f-ed up.

ClumsyPilot 2y ago

Russian propaganda always blames US state department for all kinds of random problems in Russia. Navalny was accused of being a CIA asset, Middle East instability was there as some kind of sinister plot against Russia, even potholes in the road are somehow part of the plan. I never thought I would see this get mirrored in the West. Now there are people that believe that Russia blew up its own nordstream, that every bit on twitter is Russian bot, but there are no western bots, etc Like I get that they are a sinister opponent, but you can’t blame everything on them