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... No, it's not complex at all. Russia invaded a sovereign country. Just like they did in 39', 40', 08'.

by StefanBatory 2y ago

LtVodka 2y ago
39? 40? 08?
- reducesuffering 2y ago
  Soviet/Russian invasion of Poland, Finland, and Georgia, respectively. (gee, wonder why they all want to be in NATO) There's also '56, Hungary, and '68, Czechoslovakia.
  - LtVodka 2y ago
    >bunch of nonsense Ok lets see .. Finland invasion. >Finland was a co-belligerent with Nazi Germany during the early years of World War II ... >The Siege of Leningrad was a prolonged military siege undertaken by the Axis powers and co-belligerent Finland against the Soviet city of Leningrad (present-day Saint Petersburg) on the Eastern Front of World War II. Germany's Army Group North advanced from the south, while the German-allied Finnish army invaded from the north and completed the ring around the city. https://www.state.gov/reports/just-act-report-to-congress/finland/ https://www.state.gov/reports/just-act-report-to-congress/fi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad Georgia: >The war in Georgia last year was started by a Georgian attack that was not justified by international law, an EU-sponsored report has concluded. The conflict erupted on 7 August 2008, as Georgia shelled the breakaway region of South Ossetia, in an attempt to regain control over it. The previous months had seen a series of clashes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8281990.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8281990.stm >gee, wonder why they all want to be in NATO Gee, I wonder if its the same motivation as for Poland to be in eu: https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/ https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-...
    - reducesuffering 2y ago
      Soviets demanded Finland cede substantial territory and when they said no, the Soviets invaded and annexed a substantial part of Finland to this day. You’re quoting a 2009 article. Everyone that doesn’t mindlessly watch RT already confirmed that it was South Ossetian separatists that started shelling other Georgians and that Russia has no business also invading Georgia over that. Russia air attacked areas around Georgia’s capital Tbilisi.
      - LtVodka 2y ago
        Who is this "everyone"? Was the cited EU report updated? I'm quoting a BBC article, which is hardly in a Russian corner. In any case, it has more credibility than a "trust me, bro" on HN. I would love to watch RT but its censored in EU.
    - racional 2y ago
      The 2009 EU report has been widely criticized as flawed, both at the time in years since. You can drill down on the details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Russo-Georgian_War#EU_Independent_Fact_Finding_Mission_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Russo-G... >Finland was a co-belligerent with Nazi Germany during the early years of World War II Which happened after (and never would have happened without) the Winter War.
      - LtVodka 2y ago
        >and never would have happened without We don't know that now do we? Reading EU Report: sure its criticized, it does not make it wrong.
    - sergeykish 2y ago
      In 1939 Moscow invaded Finland, killed 25,000 its citizens, annexed 10% of territory. Do you claim Finland should have been Moscow ally afterwards?
      - 2y ago
thriftwy 2y ago
The West encouraged Georgia to invade its breakaway former province South Ossetia in 2008. Turns out it was a lousy idea. Why blame Russia for bad voluntary choices of Georgian government?

... No, it's not complex at all. Russia invaded a sovereign country. Just like they did in 39', 40', 08'.

LtVodka 2y ago

39? 40? 08?

reducesuffering 2y ago
Soviet/Russian invasion of Poland, Finland, and Georgia, respectively. (gee, wonder why they all want to be in NATO) There's also '56, Hungary, and '68, Czechoslovakia.
- LtVodka 2y ago
  >bunch of nonsense Ok lets see .. Finland invasion. >Finland was a co-belligerent with Nazi Germany during the early years of World War II ... >The Siege of Leningrad was a prolonged military siege undertaken by the Axis powers and co-belligerent Finland against the Soviet city of Leningrad (present-day Saint Petersburg) on the Eastern Front of World War II. Germany's Army Group North advanced from the south, while the German-allied Finnish army invaded from the north and completed the ring around the city. https://www.state.gov/reports/just-act-report-to-congress/finland/ https://www.state.gov/reports/just-act-report-to-congress/fi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad Georgia: >The war in Georgia last year was started by a Georgian attack that was not justified by international law, an EU-sponsored report has concluded. The conflict erupted on 7 August 2008, as Georgia shelled the breakaway region of South Ossetia, in an attempt to regain control over it. The previous months had seen a series of clashes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8281990.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8281990.stm >gee, wonder why they all want to be in NATO Gee, I wonder if its the same motivation as for Poland to be in eu: https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/ https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-...
  - reducesuffering 2y ago
    Soviets demanded Finland cede substantial territory and when they said no, the Soviets invaded and annexed a substantial part of Finland to this day. You’re quoting a 2009 article. Everyone that doesn’t mindlessly watch RT already confirmed that it was South Ossetian separatists that started shelling other Georgians and that Russia has no business also invading Georgia over that. Russia air attacked areas around Georgia’s capital Tbilisi.
    - LtVodka 2y ago
      Who is this "everyone"? Was the cited EU report updated? I'm quoting a BBC article, which is hardly in a Russian corner. In any case, it has more credibility than a "trust me, bro" on HN. I would love to watch RT but its censored in EU.
  - racional 2y ago
    The 2009 EU report has been widely criticized as flawed, both at the time in years since. You can drill down on the details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Russo-Georgian_War#EU_Independent_Fact_Finding_Mission_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Russo-G... >Finland was a co-belligerent with Nazi Germany during the early years of World War II Which happened after (and never would have happened without) the Winter War.
    - LtVodka 2y ago
      >and never would have happened without We don't know that now do we? Reading EU Report: sure its criticized, it does not make it wrong.
  - sergeykish 2y ago
    In 1939 Moscow invaded Finland, killed 25,000 its citizens, annexed 10% of territory. Do you claim Finland should have been Moscow ally afterwards?
    - 2y ago

thriftwy 2y ago

The West encouraged Georgia to invade its breakaway former province South Ossetia in 2008. Turns out it was a lousy idea. Why blame Russia for bad voluntary choices of Georgian government?