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Firefox is open source, it would be far easier for the community to make a stripped down Firefox port with no telemetry, no ads and no upsells for Mozilla servi

Firefox is open source, it would be far easier for the community to make a stripped down Firefox port with no telemetry, no ads and no upsells for Mozilla services. With that said, almost all of Mozilla's revenue comes from Google, which might possibly influence what features they implement, their stance on various web standards etc.

maccard 2y ago
> which might possibly influence what features they implement, their stance on various web standards etc. Unless you’ve got some examples to back this up, it’s FUD. Posting hypotheticals is how rumours start, and this is just stirring the pot.
- Ginden 2y ago
  Conflict of interests is a real thing to worry about. I wouldn't trust scientist working in tobacco company on cigarette harm, even if I have no evidence of wrongdoing.
lukan 2y ago
Yes and those forks exists and are a solution now. But long term, I would much rather see a truly independent open source browser engine.
wakeupcall 2y ago
As pointed out, these do exist. I've been using several over the decades. And chrome forks too. They all tend to lag behind over time, until the fork is eventually too old and it's either abandoned, useful changes I was relying on are dropped, or becomes just too old compared to upstream to be fully compatible (and thus just annoying to use). Just the burden to upkeep the upstream changes, in either firefox or chrome forks, seems to be significant enough that I'm quite pessimistic on the lifespan of these projects. You might just as well do your own thing, and don't pretend to be a mainstream browser replacement altogether.
- sharlos201068 2y ago
  Keeping up with an already built browser is too hard so we’ll create an entirely new browser that takes even more work?
  - wakeupcall 2y ago
    The way I see it is "I'll have fun at something that feels interesting"
yencabulator 2y ago
FYI https://librewolf.net/ https://librewolf.net/

maccard 2y ago

> which might possibly influence what features they implement, their stance on various web standards etc. Unless you’ve got some examples to back this up, it’s FUD. Posting hypotheticals is how rumours start, and this is just stirring the pot.

Ginden 2y ago
Conflict of interests is a real thing to worry about. I wouldn't trust scientist working in tobacco company on cigarette harm, even if I have no evidence of wrongdoing.

lukan 2y ago

Yes and those forks exists and are a solution now. But long term, I would much rather see a truly independent open source browser engine.

wakeupcall 2y ago

As pointed out, these do exist. I've been using several over the decades. And chrome forks too. They all tend to lag behind over time, until the fork is eventually too old and it's either abandoned, useful changes I was relying on are dropped, or becomes just too old compared to upstream to be fully compatible (and thus just annoying to use). Just the burden to upkeep the upstream changes, in either firefox or chrome forks, seems to be significant enough that I'm quite pessimistic on the lifespan of these projects. You might just as well do your own thing, and don't pretend to be a mainstream browser replacement altogether.

sharlos201068 2y ago
Keeping up with an already built browser is too hard so we’ll create an entirely new browser that takes even more work?
- wakeupcall 2y ago
  The way I see it is "I'll have fun at something that feels interesting"

yencabulator 2y ago

FYI https://librewolf.net/ https://librewolf.net/