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Having looked at the source code… it’s not close. Not even 1/20 of the way there IMO. But it might not need to be. It’s nice just having a second system. I don

Having looked at the source code… it’s not close. Not even 1/20 of the way there IMO. But it might not need to be. It’s nice just having a second system. I don’t know to what extent Ladybird can replace Chrome, but the issues that come with a monoculture are known. There’s probably at least some hope that Ladybird could take off once it reaches a critical mass.

danpalmer 2y ago
To play devils advocate, Firefox breaks the monoculture, and arguably (Mobile) Safari too. If neither of these is big enough, will Ladybird be? I can’t imagine it getting bigger than them.
- otabdeveloper4 2y ago
  > Firefox breaks the monoculture Not really as long as it is funded by Google.
  - danpalmer 2y ago
    But it’s a completely separate codebase right, and that’s the monoculture we’re aiming to prevent here. If it’s not about tech but rather about funding, then should we be concerned of the monoculture of American browser vendors, or English speaking browser vendors? I don’t think we need to be, but I also think the tech side is the important place to prevent a monoculture for the open development of web technologies.
    - account42 2y ago
      > But it’s a completely separate codebase right Not entirely separate anymore as both make use of shared external libraries.
  - blowski 2y ago
    I might argue that being funded by Google gives Firefox stability, and allows it to deliver to a broad audience. If it were funded exclusively by, say, HN readers then it would probably end up being used exclusively by HN users.
    - account42 2y ago
      Have you looked at Firefox's market share lately?
blowski 2y ago
So it’s a fun project where people are learning a lot by working on it as a hobby project. But I shouldn’t expect it to threaten Firefox, let alone Chrome, any time soon, although that’s the dream. Is that a fair summary?
7bit 2y ago
It will never reach critical mass.
- akie 2y ago
  You don't know that. After all, Chrome comes from Webkit, which comes from Khtml, which comes from a huuuge one-person rewrite of basically a whole browser engine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KHTML#Re-write_and_improvement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KHTML#Re-write_and_improvement)
- 1GZ0 2y ago
  It might not, but so what? Don't we deserve options?

danpalmer 2y ago

To play devils advocate, Firefox breaks the monoculture, and arguably (Mobile) Safari too. If neither of these is big enough, will Ladybird be? I can’t imagine it getting bigger than them.

otabdeveloper4 2y ago
> Firefox breaks the monoculture Not really as long as it is funded by Google.
- danpalmer 2y ago
  But it’s a completely separate codebase right, and that’s the monoculture we’re aiming to prevent here. If it’s not about tech but rather about funding, then should we be concerned of the monoculture of American browser vendors, or English speaking browser vendors? I don’t think we need to be, but I also think the tech side is the important place to prevent a monoculture for the open development of web technologies.
  - account42 2y ago
    > But it’s a completely separate codebase right Not entirely separate anymore as both make use of shared external libraries.
- blowski 2y ago
  I might argue that being funded by Google gives Firefox stability, and allows it to deliver to a broad audience. If it were funded exclusively by, say, HN readers then it would probably end up being used exclusively by HN users.
  - account42 2y ago
    Have you looked at Firefox's market share lately?

blowski 2y ago

So it’s a fun project where people are learning a lot by working on it as a hobby project. But I shouldn’t expect it to threaten Firefox, let alone Chrome, any time soon, although that’s the dream. Is that a fair summary?

7bit 2y ago

It will never reach critical mass.

akie 2y ago
You don't know that. After all, Chrome comes from Webkit, which comes from Khtml, which comes from a huuuge one-person rewrite of basically a whole browser engine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KHTML#Re-write_and_improvement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KHTML#Re-write_and_improvement)
1GZ0 2y ago
It might not, but so what? Don't we deserve options?