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It doesn't matter where the shell company is formally registered. The founder and CTO is Durov, whose previous project, VKontakte (Facebook clone) has been eff

It doesn't matter where the shell company is formally registered. The founder and CTO is Durov, whose previous project, VKontakte (Facebook clone) has been effectively confiscated by Russian government. Telegram is a Russian project. People are hoping that because it's made by a "good" Russian who isn't in Russia anymore, and holds a grudge against Russian government, Telegram won't have Russian backdoors. I'd say, that is rather optimistic.

ein0p 2y ago
If we’re going that far, wouldn’t one then logically assume that all US software has US backdoors? What does that mean for other countries?
- riehwvfbk 2y ago
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- romwell 2y ago
  >If we’re going that far, wouldn’t one then logically assume that all US software has US backdoors? Critical one probably has. >What does that mean for other countries? That if they are involved in an armed conflict with the US, they would be better off not having US software where they don't want the US to have presence. Which brings us to where we started: the reason for the ban is that Russia has invaded Ukraine and is waging war there, and the US isn't on Russia's side.
  - ein0p 2y ago
    The US invaded 7 different countries and killed upwards of a million civilians by some estimates in this century alone. Should the same measures be applied to it, or is it “different” and I “don’t understand”. How about Israel?
    - romwell 2y ago
      >The US invaded 7 different countries and killed upwards of a million civilians by some estimates in this century alone. Should the same measures be applied to it, or is it “different” and I “don’t understand” By the countries the US invaded, during the invasion - you bet. >How about Israel? I'm guessing Iran isn't a big user of Israeli software.
      - ein0p 2y ago
        The US is a major user of Israeli software and hardware though, Mossad notwithstanding. Seems imprudent from the “national security” perspective
        romwell 2y ago
        Last time I checked, Israel wasn't waging a war with the US or any of the countries US allies or partners with for security. Conversely, the US and Israel are security partners. How much mental gymnastics does one have to do to ignore the fact that the entire thing is about Russia waging a war in which the US is on the other side?
        ein0p 2y ago
        Israel controls US foreign policy lock stock and barrel, and increasingly its domestic policy as well. If there ever was a threat to national security, this is it.
        racional 2y ago
        The formulation you've chosen here is rather crudely hyperbolic, and not particularly helpful. "Israel controls certain aspects of ..." would be somewhat more in the direction of a fair statement. But it's still not accurate. It's definitely quite fair to talk about something called the "Israel lobby", which by definition is made up of American citizens, and not even necessarily Jewish, which obviously does exert a great degree of control over, to be clear -- certain aspects of policy within the U.S. But the Israeli government per se does not.

ein0p 2y ago

If we’re going that far, wouldn’t one then logically assume that all US software has US backdoors? What does that mean for other countries?

riehwvfbk 2y ago
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romwell 2y ago
>If we’re going that far, wouldn’t one then logically assume that all US software has US backdoors? Critical one probably has. >What does that mean for other countries? That if they are involved in an armed conflict with the US, they would be better off not having US software where they don't want the US to have presence. Which brings us to where we started: the reason for the ban is that Russia has invaded Ukraine and is waging war there, and the US isn't on Russia's side.
- ein0p 2y ago
  The US invaded 7 different countries and killed upwards of a million civilians by some estimates in this century alone. Should the same measures be applied to it, or is it “different” and I “don’t understand”. How about Israel?
  - romwell 2y ago
    >The US invaded 7 different countries and killed upwards of a million civilians by some estimates in this century alone. Should the same measures be applied to it, or is it “different” and I “don’t understand” By the countries the US invaded, during the invasion - you bet. >How about Israel? I'm guessing Iran isn't a big user of Israeli software.
    - ein0p 2y ago
      The US is a major user of Israeli software and hardware though, Mossad notwithstanding. Seems imprudent from the “national security” perspective
      - romwell 2y ago
        Last time I checked, Israel wasn't waging a war with the US or any of the countries US allies or partners with for security. Conversely, the US and Israel are security partners. How much mental gymnastics does one have to do to ignore the fact that the entire thing is about Russia waging a war in which the US is on the other side?
        ein0p 2y ago
        Israel controls US foreign policy lock stock and barrel, and increasingly its domestic policy as well. If there ever was a threat to national security, this is it.
        racional 2y ago
        The formulation you've chosen here is rather crudely hyperbolic, and not particularly helpful. "Israel controls certain aspects of ..." would be somewhat more in the direction of a fair statement. But it's still not accurate. It's definitely quite fair to talk about something called the "Israel lobby", which by definition is made up of American citizens, and not even necessarily Jewish, which obviously does exert a great degree of control over, to be clear -- certain aspects of policy within the U.S. But the Israeli government per se does not.