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All Russian software should have been banned back in 2014.

by throwawaysleep 2y ago

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JSDevOps 2y ago
Why?
- verdverm 2y ago
  because the 1980s didn't actually call to get their foreign policy back?
- ddcx532 2y ago
  For the same reason that the Russians ban our NGOs. They're not neutral groups independent of their sovereign. To say otherwise is naive.
newsclues 2y ago
Telegram is a big source of news within Russia for Osint, banning access would be detrimental to journalism
- timcobb 2y ago
  TG isn't Russian, I believe they are based in Dubai
  - romwell 2y ago
    It doesn't matter where the shell company is formally registered. The founder and CTO is Durov, whose previous project, VKontakte (Facebook clone) has been effectively confiscated by Russian government. Telegram is a Russian project. People are hoping that because it's made by a "good" Russian who isn't in Russia anymore, and holds a grudge against Russian government, Telegram won't have Russian backdoors. I'd say, that is rather optimistic.
    - ein0p 2y ago
      If we’re going that far, wouldn’t one then logically assume that all US software has US backdoors? What does that mean for other countries?
      - riehwvfbk 2y ago
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      - romwell 2y ago
        >If we’re going that far, wouldn’t one then logically assume that all US software has US backdoors? Critical one probably has. >What does that mean for other countries? That if they are involved in an armed conflict with the US, they would be better off not having US software where they don't want the US to have presence. Which brings us to where we started: the reason for the ban is that Russia has invaded Ukraine and is waging war there, and the US isn't on Russia's side.
        ein0p 2y ago
        The US invaded 7 different countries and killed upwards of a million civilians by some estimates in this century alone. Should the same measures be applied to it, or is it “different” and I “don’t understand”. How about Israel?
        romwell 2y ago
        >The US invaded 7 different countries and killed upwards of a million civilians by some estimates in this century alone. Should the same measures be applied to it, or is it “different” and I “don’t understand” By the countries the US invaded, during the invasion - you bet. >How about Israel? I'm guessing Iran isn't a big user of Israeli software.
        ein0p 2y ago
        The US is a major user of Israeli software and hardware though, Mossad notwithstanding. Seems imprudent from the “national security” perspective
- notaigenerated 2y ago
  Telegram is barely russian. The founder is basically a russian dissident and a French citizen.

All Russian software should have been banned back in 2014.

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JSDevOps 2y ago

Why?

verdverm 2y ago
because the 1980s didn't actually call to get their foreign policy back?
ddcx532 2y ago
For the same reason that the Russians ban our NGOs. They're not neutral groups independent of their sovereign. To say otherwise is naive.

newsclues 2y ago

Telegram is a big source of news within Russia for Osint, banning access would be detrimental to journalism

timcobb 2y ago
TG isn't Russian, I believe they are based in Dubai
- romwell 2y ago
  It doesn't matter where the shell company is formally registered. The founder and CTO is Durov, whose previous project, VKontakte (Facebook clone) has been effectively confiscated by Russian government. Telegram is a Russian project. People are hoping that because it's made by a "good" Russian who isn't in Russia anymore, and holds a grudge against Russian government, Telegram won't have Russian backdoors. I'd say, that is rather optimistic.
  - ein0p 2y ago
    If we’re going that far, wouldn’t one then logically assume that all US software has US backdoors? What does that mean for other countries?
    - riehwvfbk 2y ago
      [flagged]
    - romwell 2y ago
      >If we’re going that far, wouldn’t one then logically assume that all US software has US backdoors? Critical one probably has. >What does that mean for other countries? That if they are involved in an armed conflict with the US, they would be better off not having US software where they don't want the US to have presence. Which brings us to where we started: the reason for the ban is that Russia has invaded Ukraine and is waging war there, and the US isn't on Russia's side.
      - ein0p 2y ago
        The US invaded 7 different countries and killed upwards of a million civilians by some estimates in this century alone. Should the same measures be applied to it, or is it “different” and I “don’t understand”. How about Israel?
        romwell 2y ago
        >The US invaded 7 different countries and killed upwards of a million civilians by some estimates in this century alone. Should the same measures be applied to it, or is it “different” and I “don’t understand” By the countries the US invaded, during the invasion - you bet. >How about Israel? I'm guessing Iran isn't a big user of Israeli software.
        ein0p 2y ago
        The US is a major user of Israeli software and hardware though, Mossad notwithstanding. Seems imprudent from the “national security” perspective
notaigenerated 2y ago
Telegram is barely russian. The founder is basically a russian dissident and a French citizen.