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- so, again, no luck for parents of young children? Ship the parents back to the office and those issues you mention which have some sort of root cause forcing

- so, again, no luck for parents of young children? Ship the parents back to the office and those issues you mention which have some sort of root cause forcing the home-rearing just… go away/out of sight out of mind? As I said, a mindset out of the 1950s. Also, hiring/firing is still a solution, wfh or not. - I work in cybersec, all those alternative channels can be monitored or blocked just fine, and still better than “closed office door + handsy VP” which has plagued the workforce for years and years. - you mention conflict resolution as the remote challenge examples. I mentioned sexual harassment and ageism. Very different.

Aurornis 2y ago
> Ship the parents back to the office and those issues you mention which have some sort of root cause forcing the home-rearing just… go away/out of sight out of mind? As I said, a mindset out of the 1950s. Also, hiring/firing is still a solution, wfh or not. I think you didn't read my comment. The problem was parents cancelling daycare because they thought they could take care of kids and work simultaneously without impacting their work. They literally had daycare, cancelled it, and brought the problem on themselves after WFH was instituted. > I work in cybersec, all those alternative channels can be monitored or blocked just fine, You are deluding yourself if you think none of your employees are using their personal phones to talk to each other, or that groups of employees don't gather in personal Discords and chat app groups.
- cevn 2y ago
  If you find out that parents have no form of daycare, and are taking care of their child while doing their remote job they should be fired, end of story. As a parent, taking care of a child is itself a full time job. Your friend is either an idiot or was banking on his work being stupid enough to let it slide.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
    Oddly, while I think the approach is overly restrictive ( and it would drive a good chunk of parents out of the market ), there are some benefits to one parent doing some actual parenting. I think your characterization is harsh, but I am biased.
    - cevn 2y ago
      It may, and I guess not every job has the same requirements. And 2 parents could technically split the care time evenly and squeeze out 8 hour days by using 16 hours of the day and maybe working all night while the child sleeps. Good luck structuring all your team's meetings around one person's schedule though.
- j-bos 2y ago
  >You are deluding yourself if you think none of your employees are using their personal phones to talk to each other Why is that the company's concern? I genuinely don't understand what responsibility the company has for employees actions outside of work.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
    Eh, some companies ( financial institutions, brokerages and so on ) may have regulatory requirements that puts onus on those organizations[1]. That is mostly the argument for keeping personal and work life separate, but that ship has sailed a long time ago.
  - cpitman 2y ago
    If we are both in the office, and I start using my phone to send you text messages that are harassment, and/or messages to our coworkers that make fun of you, is that the companies problem? If we are now both working from home, does that qualitatively change the situation? When working from home, what even is "outside of work"?
    - j-bos 2y ago
      Hmmm, that's interesting. How much of a person's personal life (both good and bad) is the responsibility of the employer? And why.
- bravura 2y ago
  Employees were arguing online outside of work channels, and HR became aware of it?
  - LtWorf 2y ago
    Someone snitched the logs from the non-work chat.
- ipaddr 2y ago
  One parent cancelling daycare during covid one year (lets assume they went back the next year) seems like a solved problem (they tried didn't work for them and went back to other method). Parents leaving work early and not staying late because of kids is an office problem you didn't mention. Employees using a personal discord sounds positive. Work relationships are building remotely. When employees in person become close they call personal cells and go to bars to discuss how clueless leadership is. Leadership isn't capturing those conversation why is it suddenly a problem if a discord is used?
- no_wizard 2y ago
  >You are deluding yourself if you think none of your employees are using their personal phones to talk to each other, or that groups of employees don't gather in personal Discords and chat app groups. This is very common, even when working in an office. Has nothing to do with working from home

Aurornis 2y ago

> Ship the parents back to the office and those issues you mention which have some sort of root cause forcing the home-rearing just… go away/out of sight out of mind? As I said, a mindset out of the 1950s. Also, hiring/firing is still a solution, wfh or not. I think you didn't read my comment. The problem was parents cancelling daycare because they thought they could take care of kids and work simultaneously without impacting their work. They literally had daycare, cancelled it, and brought the problem on themselves after WFH was instituted. > I work in cybersec, all those alternative channels can be monitored or blocked just fine, You are deluding yourself if you think none of your employees are using their personal phones to talk to each other, or that groups of employees don't gather in personal Discords and chat app groups.

cevn 2y ago
If you find out that parents have no form of daycare, and are taking care of their child while doing their remote job they should be fired, end of story. As a parent, taking care of a child is itself a full time job. Your friend is either an idiot or was banking on his work being stupid enough to let it slide.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
  Oddly, while I think the approach is overly restrictive ( and it would drive a good chunk of parents out of the market ), there are some benefits to one parent doing some actual parenting. I think your characterization is harsh, but I am biased.
  - cevn 2y ago
    It may, and I guess not every job has the same requirements. And 2 parents could technically split the care time evenly and squeeze out 8 hour days by using 16 hours of the day and maybe working all night while the child sleeps. Good luck structuring all your team's meetings around one person's schedule though.
j-bos 2y ago
>You are deluding yourself if you think none of your employees are using their personal phones to talk to each other Why is that the company's concern? I genuinely don't understand what responsibility the company has for employees actions outside of work.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
  Eh, some companies ( financial institutions, brokerages and so on ) may have regulatory requirements that puts onus on those organizations[1]. That is mostly the argument for keeping personal and work life separate, but that ship has sailed a long time ago.
- cpitman 2y ago
  If we are both in the office, and I start using my phone to send you text messages that are harassment, and/or messages to our coworkers that make fun of you, is that the companies problem? If we are now both working from home, does that qualitatively change the situation? When working from home, what even is "outside of work"?
  - j-bos 2y ago
    Hmmm, that's interesting. How much of a person's personal life (both good and bad) is the responsibility of the employer? And why.
bravura 2y ago
Employees were arguing online outside of work channels, and HR became aware of it?
- LtWorf 2y ago
  Someone snitched the logs from the non-work chat.
ipaddr 2y ago
One parent cancelling daycare during covid one year (lets assume they went back the next year) seems like a solved problem (they tried didn't work for them and went back to other method). Parents leaving work early and not staying late because of kids is an office problem you didn't mention. Employees using a personal discord sounds positive. Work relationships are building remotely. When employees in person become close they call personal cells and go to bars to discuss how clueless leadership is. Leadership isn't capturing those conversation why is it suddenly a problem if a discord is used?
no_wizard 2y ago
>You are deluding yourself if you think none of your employees are using their personal phones to talk to each other, or that groups of employees don't gather in personal Discords and chat app groups. This is very common, even when working in an office. Has nothing to do with working from home