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OP visited about 15 years ago so if you are hinting at the more recent event, it doesn't sound relevant. And if it is not that, I'm not sure what you are hinti

OP visited about 15 years ago so if you are hinting at the more recent event, it doesn't sound relevant. And if it is not that, I'm not sure what you are hinting at.

anamexis 2y ago
Most likely the Tajikistani Civil War, 1992-1997.
shakow 2y ago
> I'm not sure what you are hinting at. Probably the various ethnic cleansings that happened in the *stans at the fall of the USSR, where most more western ethnicities (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarussians, Armenians, ...) were at best swiftly & firmly reconducted to the nearest airport, and at worst killed on the spot.
- cess11 2y ago
  It's best understood against the backdrop of a very long series of colonial endeavours. The circassian genocide is well documented.
  - cpursley 2y ago
    Circassian genocide was especially nasty, but ancient history (and somewhat inline with America's genocidal colonial conquests West). And not that it justifies the genocide, the Circassians were big slavers of Slavs (especially young girls). Also some of the biggest bastards on the Russian side were actually ethnic German. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zass - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_slave_trade#Circassian_slave_trade_(18th%E2%80%9320th_centuries) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_slave_trade#Circassi...
    - cess11 2y ago
      The late eighteen hundreds is "ancient history"? That's antiquity to you? I get the impression that this might come as a surprise to you: 'In the context of the Circassian slave trade, the term Circassians did not necessarily refer to ethnic Circassians, but was used as an umbrella term for a number of different ethnicities from the Caucasus region, such as Georgians, Adyge and Abkhazians, in the same fashion as the term "Abbyssinians" was used as a term also for African slaves who were not from Abyssinia.' That Moscow is a european colonial project was kind of my point but obviously that flew at a level seemingly mesospheric to you.
      - cpursley 2y ago
        I’m well aware of the Mountain of Tongues and Circassia, having traveled that region extensively (including Adygea) and read a number of history books about it. My country (America) had their own colonial project around that same time period (and also conflated various native groups) - like, ever heard of Manifest Destiny?
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        cess11 2y ago
        The US is still a colonial project, Puerto Rico being the obvious example. It's irrelevant however. You describe 1863 as ancient history, so I'm not keen on putting any trust into the words you're using or claims to being educated on the subject.
        cpursley 2y ago
        What's your nationality? Because it is absolutely relevant. If you don't employ some empathy and self-reflection of your own history when judging the historical actions of others, you literally get no say in the matter.
        cess11 2y ago
        My ancestors were mainly sami and travelling peoples. The swedish crown more or less eradicated them. Not sure why that would make me empathetic towards muscovite genocidaires.
  - shakow 2y ago
    > circassian genocide You are aware that Circassia is 3 countries and more than 4000km away from Tajikistan, right? And that the ethnicities involved in the Circassian genocides are wholly separated from Tajiks?
    - cess11 2y ago
      Yes, why? Would Tajikistan for some reason be the only adequate example of muscovite colonial history?
  - FormerBandmate 2y ago
    Colonialism does not justify genocide
- slt2021 2y ago
  do you have source for your claim ? Russians are the ones who conducted actual genocides: 1. Ukrainian holodomor - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor 2. Kazakhstan famine - h ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_famine_of_1930–1933 3. Genocide of Central Asian people in 1916 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asian_revolt_of_1916 4. Chechen genocide over two centuries + 2 major wars - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_genocide 5. Transnistria (Moldovan-Russia war) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria_War 6. Russo-Georgian war - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War 7. currently Russo-Ukrainian war .. countless other russian made genocides I am tired of enumerating Russia - is a failing imperial bloody state and Russians as a nation are bloody genocidal nation of maniacs. Russia cannot exist in peaceful state, they always create and incite cnflicts and thrive on other peoples' misery and death Russia has Cult of Death, they thrive, embrace, and preach for death https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3864092-russias-cult-of-death/ https://maksymeristavi.substack.com/p/free-press-eristavi-russia-is-a-death https://wavellroom.com/2024/05/14/the-russian-army-death-cult/ https://www.thebulwark.com/p/apathy-keeps-russias-death-cult-alive

OP visited about 15 years ago so if you are hinting at the more recent event, it doesn't sound relevant. And if it is not that, I'm not sure what you are hinting at.

anamexis 2y ago

Most likely the Tajikistani Civil War, 1992-1997.

shakow 2y ago

> I'm not sure what you are hinting at. Probably the various ethnic cleansings that happened in the *stans at the fall of the USSR, where most more western ethnicities (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarussians, Armenians, ...) were at best swiftly & firmly reconducted to the nearest airport, and at worst killed on the spot.

cess11 2y ago
It's best understood against the backdrop of a very long series of colonial endeavours. The circassian genocide is well documented.
- cpursley 2y ago
  Circassian genocide was especially nasty, but ancient history (and somewhat inline with America's genocidal colonial conquests West). And not that it justifies the genocide, the Circassians were big slavers of Slavs (especially young girls). Also some of the biggest bastards on the Russian side were actually ethnic German. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zass - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_slave_trade#Circassian_slave_trade_(18th%E2%80%9320th_centuries) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_slave_trade#Circassi...
  - cess11 2y ago
    The late eighteen hundreds is "ancient history"? That's antiquity to you? I get the impression that this might come as a surprise to you: 'In the context of the Circassian slave trade, the term Circassians did not necessarily refer to ethnic Circassians, but was used as an umbrella term for a number of different ethnicities from the Caucasus region, such as Georgians, Adyge and Abkhazians, in the same fashion as the term "Abbyssinians" was used as a term also for African slaves who were not from Abyssinia.' That Moscow is a european colonial project was kind of my point but obviously that flew at a level seemingly mesospheric to you.
    - cpursley 2y ago
      I’m well aware of the Mountain of Tongues and Circassia, having traveled that region extensively (including Adygea) and read a number of history books about it. My country (America) had their own colonial project around that same time period (and also conflated various native groups) - like, ever heard of Manifest Destiny?
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - cess11 2y ago
        The US is still a colonial project, Puerto Rico being the obvious example. It's irrelevant however. You describe 1863 as ancient history, so I'm not keen on putting any trust into the words you're using or claims to being educated on the subject.
        cpursley 2y ago
        What's your nationality? Because it is absolutely relevant. If you don't employ some empathy and self-reflection of your own history when judging the historical actions of others, you literally get no say in the matter.
        cess11 2y ago
        My ancestors were mainly sami and travelling peoples. The swedish crown more or less eradicated them. Not sure why that would make me empathetic towards muscovite genocidaires.
- shakow 2y ago
  > circassian genocide You are aware that Circassia is 3 countries and more than 4000km away from Tajikistan, right? And that the ethnicities involved in the Circassian genocides are wholly separated from Tajiks?
  - cess11 2y ago
    Yes, why? Would Tajikistan for some reason be the only adequate example of muscovite colonial history?
- FormerBandmate 2y ago
  Colonialism does not justify genocide
slt2021 2y ago
do you have source for your claim ? Russians are the ones who conducted actual genocides: 1. Ukrainian holodomor - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor 2. Kazakhstan famine - h ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_famine_of_1930–1933 3. Genocide of Central Asian people in 1916 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asian_revolt_of_1916 4. Chechen genocide over two centuries + 2 major wars - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_genocide 5. Transnistria (Moldovan-Russia war) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria_War 6. Russo-Georgian war - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War 7. currently Russo-Ukrainian war .. countless other russian made genocides I am tired of enumerating Russia - is a failing imperial bloody state and Russians as a nation are bloody genocidal nation of maniacs. Russia cannot exist in peaceful state, they always create and incite cnflicts and thrive on other peoples' misery and death Russia has Cult of Death, they thrive, embrace, and preach for death https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3864092-russias-cult-of-death/ https://maksymeristavi.substack.com/p/free-press-eristavi-russia-is-a-death https://wavellroom.com/2024/05/14/the-russian-army-death-cult/ https://www.thebulwark.com/p/apathy-keeps-russias-death-cult-alive