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> ones that didn't manage to leave after the collapse of the Soviet Union > openly racist towards ethnic Tajiks Makes me wonder, maybe something happened betw
by justsomehnguy 2y ago
> ones that didn't manage to leave after the collapse of the Soviet Union
> openly racist towards ethnic Tajiks
Makes me wonder, maybe something happened between ethnic Tajiks and ethnic Russians between Soviet Union collapse and the present.
- ashilfarahmand 2y agoOP visited about 15 years ago so if you are hinting at the more recent event, it doesn't sound relevant. And if it is not that, I'm not sure what you are hinting at.
- anamexis 2y agoMost likely the Tajikistani Civil War, 1992-1997.
- shakow 2y ago> I'm not sure what you are hinting at. Probably the various ethnic cleansings that happened in the *stans at the fall of the USSR, where most more western ethnicities (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarussians, Armenians, ...) were at best swiftly & firmly reconducted to the nearest airport, and at worst killed on the spot.
- cess11 2y agoIt's best understood against the backdrop of a very long series of colonial endeavours. The circassian genocide is well documented.
- cpursley 2y agoCircassian genocide was especially nasty, but ancient history (and somewhat inline with America's genocidal colonial conquests West). And not that it justifies the genocide, the Circassians were big slavers of Slavs (especially young girls). Also some of the biggest bastards on the Russian side were actually ethnic German. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zass - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_slave_trade#Circassian_slave_trade_(18th%E2%80%9320th_centuries) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_slave_trade#Circassi...
- cess11 2y agoThe late eighteen hundreds is "ancient history"? That's antiquity to you? I get the impression that this might come as a surprise to you: 'In the context of the Circassian slave trade, the term Circassians did not necessarily refer to ethnic Circassians, but was used as an umbrella term for a number of different ethnicities from the Caucasus region, such as Georgians, Adyge and Abkhazians, in the same fashion as the term "Abbyssinians" was used as a term also for African slaves who were not from Abyssinia.' That Moscow is a european colonial project was kind of my point but obviously that flew at a level seemingly mesospheric to you.
- cpursley 2y agoI’m well aware of the Mountain of Tongues and Circassia, having traveled that region extensively (including Adygea) and read a number of history books about it. My country (America) had their own colonial project around that same time period (and also conflated various native groups) - like, ever heard of Manifest Destiny?
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- cess11 2y agoThe US is still a colonial project, Puerto Rico being the obvious example. It's irrelevant however. You describe 1863 as ancient history, so I'm not keen on putting any trust into the words you're using or claims to being educated on the subject.
- cpursley 2y agoWhat's your nationality? Because it is absolutely relevant. If you don't employ some empathy and self-reflection of your own history when judging the historical actions of others, you literally get no say in the matter.
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- shakow 2y ago> circassian genocide You are aware that Circassia is 3 countries and more than 4000km away from Tajikistan, right? And that the ethnicities involved in the Circassian genocides are wholly separated from Tajiks?
- cess11 2y agoYes, why? Would Tajikistan for some reason be the only adequate example of muscovite colonial history?
- FormerBandmate 2y agoColonialism does not justify genocide
- slt2021 2y agodo you have source for your claim ? Russians are the ones who conducted actual genocides: 1. Ukrainian holodomor - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor 2. Kazakhstan famine - h ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_famine_of_1930–1933 3. Genocide of Central Asian people in 1916 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asian_revolt_of_1916 4. Chechen genocide over two centuries + 2 major wars - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_genocide 5. Transnistria (Moldovan-Russia war) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria_War 6. Russo-Georgian war - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War 7. currently Russo-Ukrainian war .. countless other russian made genocides I am tired of enumerating Russia - is a failing imperial bloody state and Russians as a nation are bloody genocidal nation of maniacs. Russia cannot exist in peaceful state, they always create and incite cnflicts and thrive on other peoples' misery and death Russia has Cult of Death, they thrive, embrace, and preach for death https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3864092-russias-cult-of-death/ https://maksymeristavi.substack.com/p/free-press-eristavi-russia-is-a-death https://wavellroom.com/2024/05/14/the-russian-army-death-cult/ https://www.thebulwark.com/p/apathy-keeps-russias-death-cult-alive
- lykahb 2y agoMost Russians hold racist views. It doesn't change if they are expats. As a result of the colonial conquests, Russia is a multiethnic state. But the minorities have never been fully accepted. The govt balances between suppressing the far right and managing it for its own purposes. This wiki article has plenty of references, with many pointing to the racist actions by the senior officials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Russia
- andy24 2y agoThis blanked statement is false. I’m speechless somebody can make claims like this tbh.
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- tokai 2y agoDefinitely not false. Actually quite well covered by journalists and scholars. As an example: https://academic.oup.com/edinburgh-scholarship-online/book/29938/chapter-abstract/254191335?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=true https://academic.oup.com/edinburgh-scholarship-online/book/2...
- andy24 2y agoThe article studies properties of a nationalist group, which is in extreme minority, especially after 2010s, and doesn’t make claims that ‘most Russians are nationalists’. You have to lurk really hard to find a nationalist there unless you count people love Dostoyevsky into this group. There are also a lot of glass ceilings in place for ethnical Russians, and distribution in elite universities, politics, and business don’t represent the country average, which suggests there’s an intentional ’reverse racism’ in place towards majority. Moreover, the word ‘Russian’ is banned in media and is replaced by ‘citizen of Russia’.
- hot_gril 2y agoYeah yeah, it's also well covered by journalists how all Americans are racist.
- riehwvfbk 2y agoThere was this little thing here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Dushanbe_riots https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Dushanbe_riots Russians were specifically targeted. A Russian TV reporter murdered on the street in broad daylight. A school bus evacuating families of Russian servicemen shot with an RPG. Churches destroyed and clergy killed.