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Why is this level of centralization accepted? Many European governments have also started using Cloudflare after suffering DDoS attacks following the 2022 Russi

by dtquad 2y ago

Why is this level of centralization accepted? Many European governments have also started using Cloudflare after suffering DDoS attacks following the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and European sanctions on Russia.

xd1936 2y ago
Kind of sounds like you answered your own question there.
- dmix 2y ago
  Because there's DDOS attacks everyone should use the same platform and give them control of the internet?
  - rossdavidh 2y ago
    No, because it's complicated to run, and difficult to the point of impossible for a normal small amount of servers to withstand a DDOS. Why do we get our electricity from the power company, even though there are occasionally outages? We could just all get generators and battery-backed solar, but that would be expensive and hard to maintain. The scale of AWS, Cloudflare, Akamai, etc. make them less bad at it that the average company that needs a website. It's the same reason we don't all have our own mailservers.
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  - jsheard 2y ago
    It would be nice to have a choice, but most of their competition is either priced completely out of the reach of most people, or PAYG with unbounded spending so you can get hit with an enormous bill out of nowhere, which you don't have to worry about with Cloudflare. AWS or Azure or Google could make their pricing structures as approachable as CFs if they wanted to, and peel off many of CFs small-to-medium scale customers, but evidently none of them want to even try. They only care about scoring whales.
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eddythompson80 2y ago
ugh, this again. Honestly you should be able to answer your own question at this point. At least say something original like how a small-time developer can get a planet wide delivery network, DDoS mitigation, and regional traffic routing without relying on something like Cloudflare.
lxgr 2y ago
Because being down when nobody else is will be seen as your lack of preparedness, and being down together with everybody else doesn’t look half bad in comparison.

by dtquad 2y ago

xd1936 2y ago

Kind of sounds like you answered your own question there.

dmix 2y ago
Because there's DDOS attacks everyone should use the same platform and give them control of the internet?
- rossdavidh 2y ago
  No, because it's complicated to run, and difficult to the point of impossible for a normal small amount of servers to withstand a DDOS. Why do we get our electricity from the power company, even though there are occasionally outages? We could just all get generators and battery-backed solar, but that would be expensive and hard to maintain. The scale of AWS, Cloudflare, Akamai, etc. make them less bad at it that the average company that needs a website. It's the same reason we don't all have our own mailservers.
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- jsheard 2y ago
  It would be nice to have a choice, but most of their competition is either priced completely out of the reach of most people, or PAYG with unbounded spending so you can get hit with an enormous bill out of nowhere, which you don't have to worry about with Cloudflare. AWS or Azure or Google could make their pricing structures as approachable as CFs if they wanted to, and peel off many of CFs small-to-medium scale customers, but evidently none of them want to even try. They only care about scoring whales.
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eddythompson80 2y ago

ugh, this again. Honestly you should be able to answer your own question at this point. At least say something original like how a small-time developer can get a planet wide delivery network, DDoS mitigation, and regional traffic routing without relying on something like Cloudflare.

lxgr 2y ago

Because being down when nobody else is will be seen as your lack of preparedness, and being down together with everybody else doesn’t look half bad in comparison.