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Alright seeing that I have to do some major unrelated symbol-pushing in the toplevel today... I might have to take a few days to process what has been said here

Alright seeing that I have to do some major unrelated symbol-pushing in the toplevel today... I might have to take a few days to process what has been said here. I know folks do not mind, but thought a heads-up would be in order. Praying to the gods of HN to keep this thread alive )* EDIT: the delvings into ancient "Taoist" texts, I would do so myself, if I didn't feel that my models have been heavily polluted by god-knows-what. Those conspiracy theories are very compelling. Maybe a search for the actual battle records of 姜子牙 is in order)[0] *As a Procrustist or Protist lol [0] https://m.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_24715199 https://m.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_24715199 says (likely CCP propaganda, but sometimes fun to read) 史记 should be the first cache to look up. (The rest of that has mostly been quoted to me, but I iterate to motivate mistermann's possible context updates) "鸷鸟将击，卑飞敛翼；猛兽将搏，弭耳俯伏；圣人将动，必有愚色。”

mistermann 2y ago
> but sometimes fun to read Assuming my Google translate is working well enough, indeed. HN is perhaps not the optimal venue for such conversations, though I have no suggestions of where to take it. Any ideas?
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  I enjoy scurrying about in the wainscoting of HN, perhaps because of, not despite, its ferrocrete and stainless steel suboptimality? 三十辐共一毂，当其无，有车之用。埏埴以为器，当其无，有器之用。凿户牖以为室，当其无，有室之用。 30 stories and their hot takes exist on HN's front page, yet the stories with no traction function to carry leisurely conversation. 故有之以为利，无之以为用。
  - vinnyvichy 2y ago
    I concur that HN is a liminal superspace whose character is slippery and so fit for rummagings in the murk, dang is a Taoist best sovereign whose existence is only dimly felt*, etc etc but all I really want to for now is to uh serialize something bothering me since mistermann replied.. quite localized to procrustean-physicism... maybe physicists are hedgehogs who imagine themselves foxes, but then it occurred to me that it might be true that most non-French non-logician mathematicians tend to stay away from wider sociopolitical commentary (unless prodded) I can think of reasons, but some implications are clear? 1. Kolmogorov thought of himself as more of a mathematician than a physicist. 2. Arnol'd was heavily frenchified, but had to rationalize that. (In particular, his students didn't inherit his attitudes?) 3. Galois was pretty normal. 4. Grothendieck was special but found a way to resolve the inner and outer (cultural) game. 5. Kaczynski.. too much of a logician? (Dare I suggest he was special XD?) Back to scheduled programming, over and out. *Preceding Jefferson, Spinoza, etc https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E9%81%93%E5%BE%B7%E7%BB%8F%C2%B7%E5%A4%AA%E4%B8%8A%EF%BC%8C%E4%B8%8D%E7%9F%A5%E6%9C%89%E4%B9%8B/7637601 https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E9%81%93%E5%BE%B7%E7%BB%8F%C2%...
    - vinnyvichy 2y ago
      *second best, for by Chapter58/spinozoan formalization PG** was the creator..and thus worthier of being 太上 "You are what you symbolicate" **https://youtu.be/EEwPXdbKG8U https://youtu.be/EEwPXdbKG8U Oops, let's not get distracted.. EDIT: according to later commentators this is a popular misreading, but in this case the masses were correct? https://www.aisixiang.com/data/117662.html https://www.aisixiang.com/data/117662.html
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        Upon reflection, thanks for "♥ reflections"; I see the commentary there doesn't use the Star Wars Sith analogy I prefer, but instead talks (after Allison?) about a 修昔底德 trap. Is there any english-language equivalent to this site? Did it grown organically out of the tradition of posting essays and counter-essays on village walls?
        vinnyvichy 2y ago
        You don't mean substack? Both ssc & robin hanson are on it
        082349872349872 2y ago
        Could be! For some reason I was thinking of substack as more "subscribe to my newsletter" writing than "here's my bibliography" writing, but I could easily have prematurely stereotyped...
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      Re: Kaczynski, I think he stopped being an analyst in 1969, and switched to being a non-mathematician prepper? (and usually analysis is pretty far from logic in various people's maps of mathematics, but here's an exception, in which the "plains of analysis" [sic] are right next to the "ocean of logic": https://utenti.quipo.it/base5/scuola/mate_metafor_mathematistan.gif https://utenti.quipo.it/base5/scuola/mate_metafor_mathematis... ) For some reason non-French non-logician non-social-commentariens remind me of https://existentialcomics.com/comic/541 https://existentialcomics.com/comic/541 Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TilQ8BIHisw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TilQ8BIHisw (unfortunately going in the other direction, as with Yuri and Tonya Zhivago, I believe Vladimir Vysotsky might've done better —at least healthwise if not artistically— to have spent much more time in Paris with Marina)

mistermann 2y ago

> but sometimes fun to read Assuming my Google translate is working well enough, indeed. HN is perhaps not the optimal venue for such conversations, though I have no suggestions of where to take it. Any ideas?

082349872349872 2y ago
I enjoy scurrying about in the wainscoting of HN, perhaps because of, not despite, its ferrocrete and stainless steel suboptimality? 三十辐共一毂，当其无，有车之用。埏埴以为器，当其无，有器之用。凿户牖以为室，当其无，有室之用。 30 stories and their hot takes exist on HN's front page, yet the stories with no traction function to carry leisurely conversation. 故有之以为利，无之以为用。
- vinnyvichy 2y ago
  I concur that HN is a liminal superspace whose character is slippery and so fit for rummagings in the murk, dang is a Taoist best sovereign whose existence is only dimly felt*, etc etc but all I really want to for now is to uh serialize something bothering me since mistermann replied.. quite localized to procrustean-physicism... maybe physicists are hedgehogs who imagine themselves foxes, but then it occurred to me that it might be true that most non-French non-logician mathematicians tend to stay away from wider sociopolitical commentary (unless prodded) I can think of reasons, but some implications are clear? 1. Kolmogorov thought of himself as more of a mathematician than a physicist. 2. Arnol'd was heavily frenchified, but had to rationalize that. (In particular, his students didn't inherit his attitudes?) 3. Galois was pretty normal. 4. Grothendieck was special but found a way to resolve the inner and outer (cultural) game. 5. Kaczynski.. too much of a logician? (Dare I suggest he was special XD?) Back to scheduled programming, over and out. *Preceding Jefferson, Spinoza, etc https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E9%81%93%E5%BE%B7%E7%BB%8F%C2%B7%E5%A4%AA%E4%B8%8A%EF%BC%8C%E4%B8%8D%E7%9F%A5%E6%9C%89%E4%B9%8B/7637601 https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E9%81%93%E5%BE%B7%E7%BB%8F%C2%...
  - vinnyvichy 2y ago
    *second best, for by Chapter58/spinozoan formalization PG** was the creator..and thus worthier of being 太上 "You are what you symbolicate" **https://youtu.be/EEwPXdbKG8U https://youtu.be/EEwPXdbKG8U Oops, let's not get distracted.. EDIT: according to later commentators this is a popular misreading, but in this case the masses were correct? https://www.aisixiang.com/data/117662.html https://www.aisixiang.com/data/117662.html
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      Upon reflection, thanks for "♥ reflections"; I see the commentary there doesn't use the Star Wars Sith analogy I prefer, but instead talks (after Allison?) about a 修昔底德 trap. Is there any english-language equivalent to this site? Did it grown organically out of the tradition of posting essays and counter-essays on village walls?
      - vinnyvichy 2y ago
        You don't mean substack? Both ssc & robin hanson are on it
        082349872349872 2y ago
        Could be! For some reason I was thinking of substack as more "subscribe to my newsletter" writing than "here's my bibliography" writing, but I could easily have prematurely stereotyped...
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    Re: Kaczynski, I think he stopped being an analyst in 1969, and switched to being a non-mathematician prepper? (and usually analysis is pretty far from logic in various people's maps of mathematics, but here's an exception, in which the "plains of analysis" [sic] are right next to the "ocean of logic": https://utenti.quipo.it/base5/scuola/mate_metafor_mathematistan.gif https://utenti.quipo.it/base5/scuola/mate_metafor_mathematis... ) For some reason non-French non-logician non-social-commentariens remind me of https://existentialcomics.com/comic/541 https://existentialcomics.com/comic/541 Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TilQ8BIHisw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TilQ8BIHisw (unfortunately going in the other direction, as with Yuri and Tonya Zhivago, I believe Vladimir Vysotsky might've done better —at least healthwise if not artistically— to have spent much more time in Paris with Marina)