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> In one clip that Instagram recommended to a test account identified as 13 years old, an adult performer promised to send a picture of her “chest bags” via dir

by rdtsc 2y ago

> In one clip that Instagram recommended to a test account identified as 13 years old, an adult performer promised to send a picture of her “chest bags” via direct message to anyone who commented on her video. Another flashed her genitalia at the camera. When it comes encryption and privacy the legislators just can't wait to jump in an "save the children", let's see how vigorous they are going to be investigating and prosecuting Meta for showing inappropriate things to children. > On TikTok [...] new teen test accounts that behaved identically virtually never saw such material—even when a test minor account actively searched for, followed and liked videos of adult sex-content creators. Well, isn't that embarrassing? The evil TikTok they are trying hard to ban, and for good reasons I think, is doing a better job "protecting our children" than Meta.

infecto 2y ago
Even more damming imo is that Instagram is rife with those “young model” accounts. Makes sense though. When you have a product produced in an authoritarian state, they probably spend a lot more time on censoring for better and worse.
- tehjoker 2y ago
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  - infecto 2y ago
    So you are saying that TikTok US shares zero code to TikTok China? I never suggested that data is going back to China but my engineering mind jumps immediately to the backends sharing code albeit deployed from two different companies and regions. China is famous for its fast and efficient censorship in social media and assume this ability would transfer to the US.
    - fragmede 2y ago
      How often have you seen gore or CSAM on Facebook?
      - infecto 2y ago
        Did you reply to the correct thread? What does this have to do with TikTok China vs US
        fragmede 2y ago
        Where Facebook = Instagram, the question of is Instagram able to censor unwanted content, their ability to filter out gore or CSAM is to say Facebook's ability to censor is similar to TikTok China's ability to censor, just for those two categories as opposed to other things.
    - tehjoker 2y ago
      Regardless of what code is shared, the reality is that TikTok US is less censored than other platforms.
      - infecto 2y ago
        Which has nothing to do with the point of my thread. Don’t back pedal on your point.
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atestu 2y ago
Same for Snap, which is surprising given its reputation: > Despite their systems’ similar mechanics, neither TikTok nor Snapchat recommended the sex-heavy video feeds to freshly created teen accounts that Meta did, tests by the Journal and Edelson found. This imo proves that Meta isn't even trying: > In some instances, Instagram recommended that teen accounts watch videos that the platform had already labeled as “disturbing.” This could be a very simple toggle, it's disingenuous to blame everything on the "black box" of the "algorithm."
- kredd 2y ago
  Mostly because Snapchat can't be easily used as a "funnel through discovery algorithms". On the other side of it, it's probably the app where everyone sends their explicit photos to each other, especially within the younger demographics.
pizzathyme 2y ago
The reason for the US government banning TikTok is not that TikTok is a worse product (it is superior). The reason is that it is a massive geopolitical risk. People often conflate these two.
- fallingfrog 2y ago
  How is it a risk?? Are the communists cackling with glee as they steal all those 30 second clips of teens doing the cinnamon challenge?
  - sva_ 2y ago
    It is probably possible to manipulate people to further your political goals in an automated fashion using these technologies. In fact you can manipulate insane numbers of people in all kinds of ways with them.
    - somenameforme 2y ago
      This runs into a simple logical problem. The powers that be would love nothing more than to be able to do exactly what you're describing. And they have effectively endless resources at their disposal alongside dysfunctional intelligence agencies, a completely dysfunctional and obsequious media, and social media sites that have no doubt all signed up for PRISM and its likely even more insidious successors. Yet society is absolutely, in no way whatsoever, becoming more compliant.
      - fallingfrog 2y ago
        Exactly!
      - sva_ 2y ago
        > Yet society is absolutely, in no way whatsoever, becoming more compliant. I'm not so sure. People are putting up with a lot of bullshit. Not saying that is due to social media though.
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fragmede 2y ago
This is the same "evil" TikTok that has a child predator problem where older men DM sexually explicit content to accounts of 14 year old children*, and generally a problem with predators**, ? * https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonchandler/2020/11/02/tiktok-still-failing-to-tackle-alleged-child-predators-bbc-panorama-claims/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonchandler/2020/11/02/tiktok... ** https://www.mmguardian.com/blog/tiktok-predators https://www.mmguardian.com/blog/tiktok-predators https://cseinstitute.org/tiktok-and-the-growing-media-exploitation-of-minors/ https://cseinstitute.org/tiktok-and-the-growing-media-exploi...
burningChrome 2y ago
I would be interested to know how many people are coming from different social media platforms TO tikTok for this kind of content. I know back in the day almost every subreddit that had porn or women posting pics would also link to their tiktok accounts and many of the videos and accounts were also posted on tiktok so a woman could post a few pics or videos, link to their tiktok account and then get people to subscribe to their accounts there. There's also an assumption that users are 100% honest with their age. Simply confirming you are 18 gives you an easy end around the filtering of content. Even at 8-10 I had friends who were quite ambitious about getting their hands on porn and other material we weren't supposed to have. If the bar is simply lying about your age, I would say that's not a very good way to try and filter content from underage users.
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CommanderData 2y ago
The TikTok ban is political and not to save the children, perhaps to stop them seeing the horrors in the middle east, instead tune them into $MindDestorying content instead.
strangemonad 2y ago
It’s almost as if it’s not a single factor issue and insta could stand to improve its under-age content filters AND TikTok can also be a threat because of its ties to China.

by rdtsc 2y ago

infecto 2y ago

Even more damming imo is that Instagram is rife with those “young model” accounts. Makes sense though. When you have a product produced in an authoritarian state, they probably spend a lot more time on censoring for better and worse.

tehjoker 2y ago
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- infecto 2y ago
  So you are saying that TikTok US shares zero code to TikTok China? I never suggested that data is going back to China but my engineering mind jumps immediately to the backends sharing code albeit deployed from two different companies and regions. China is famous for its fast and efficient censorship in social media and assume this ability would transfer to the US.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    How often have you seen gore or CSAM on Facebook?
    - infecto 2y ago
      Did you reply to the correct thread? What does this have to do with TikTok China vs US
      - fragmede 2y ago
        Where Facebook = Instagram, the question of is Instagram able to censor unwanted content, their ability to filter out gore or CSAM is to say Facebook's ability to censor is similar to TikTok China's ability to censor, just for those two categories as opposed to other things.
  - tehjoker 2y ago
    Regardless of what code is shared, the reality is that TikTok US is less censored than other platforms.
    - infecto 2y ago
      Which has nothing to do with the point of my thread. Don’t back pedal on your point.

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atestu 2y ago

Same for Snap, which is surprising given its reputation: > Despite their systems’ similar mechanics, neither TikTok nor Snapchat recommended the sex-heavy video feeds to freshly created teen accounts that Meta did, tests by the Journal and Edelson found. This imo proves that Meta isn't even trying: > In some instances, Instagram recommended that teen accounts watch videos that the platform had already labeled as “disturbing.” This could be a very simple toggle, it's disingenuous to blame everything on the "black box" of the "algorithm."

kredd 2y ago
Mostly because Snapchat can't be easily used as a "funnel through discovery algorithms". On the other side of it, it's probably the app where everyone sends their explicit photos to each other, especially within the younger demographics.

pizzathyme 2y ago

The reason for the US government banning TikTok is not that TikTok is a worse product (it is superior). The reason is that it is a massive geopolitical risk. People often conflate these two.

fallingfrog 2y ago
How is it a risk?? Are the communists cackling with glee as they steal all those 30 second clips of teens doing the cinnamon challenge?
- sva_ 2y ago
  It is probably possible to manipulate people to further your political goals in an automated fashion using these technologies. In fact you can manipulate insane numbers of people in all kinds of ways with them.
  - somenameforme 2y ago
    This runs into a simple logical problem. The powers that be would love nothing more than to be able to do exactly what you're describing. And they have effectively endless resources at their disposal alongside dysfunctional intelligence agencies, a completely dysfunctional and obsequious media, and social media sites that have no doubt all signed up for PRISM and its likely even more insidious successors. Yet society is absolutely, in no way whatsoever, becoming more compliant.
    - fallingfrog 2y ago
      Exactly!
    - sva_ 2y ago
      > Yet society is absolutely, in no way whatsoever, becoming more compliant. I'm not so sure. People are putting up with a lot of bullshit. Not saying that is due to social media though.
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fragmede 2y ago

This is the same "evil" TikTok that has a child predator problem where older men DM sexually explicit content to accounts of 14 year old children*, and generally a problem with predators**, ? * https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonchandler/2020/11/02/tiktok-still-failing-to-tackle-alleged-child-predators-bbc-panorama-claims/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonchandler/2020/11/02/tiktok... ** https://www.mmguardian.com/blog/tiktok-predators https://www.mmguardian.com/blog/tiktok-predators https://cseinstitute.org/tiktok-and-the-growing-media-exploitation-of-minors/ https://cseinstitute.org/tiktok-and-the-growing-media-exploi...

burningChrome 2y ago

I would be interested to know how many people are coming from different social media platforms TO tikTok for this kind of content. I know back in the day almost every subreddit that had porn or women posting pics would also link to their tiktok accounts and many of the videos and accounts were also posted on tiktok so a woman could post a few pics or videos, link to their tiktok account and then get people to subscribe to their accounts there. There's also an assumption that users are 100% honest with their age. Simply confirming you are 18 gives you an easy end around the filtering of content. Even at 8-10 I had friends who were quite ambitious about getting their hands on porn and other material we weren't supposed to have. If the bar is simply lying about your age, I would say that's not a very good way to try and filter content from underage users.

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CommanderData 2y ago

The TikTok ban is political and not to save the children, perhaps to stop them seeing the horrors in the middle east, instead tune them into $MindDestorying content instead.

strangemonad 2y ago

It’s almost as if it’s not a single factor issue and insta could stand to improve its under-age content filters AND TikTok can also be a threat because of its ties to China.