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This has been the strategy of every political party to hold office in the UK for as long as I've been alive. There is always some privacy-defeating 'online saf

by ljm 2y ago

This has been the strategy of every political party to hold office in the UK for as long as I've been alive. There is always some privacy-defeating 'online safety' bill going through the parliament. Every time it gets knocked down, but almost immediately returns with slightly different wording.

rmbyrro 2y ago
What do you mean by "to hold office"? How does this help a politician hold to power?
- utensil4778 2y ago
  Parent is saying it has been the strategy of every party which has held power. Not that the strategy helps them hold power.
- ytwySXpMbS 2y ago
  They mean any party that's had majority control of parliament, they don't mean it's been used as a strategy to get there but rather once they're ruling it's been introduced
- newdee 2y ago
  I don’t think that’s what they mean. I just read it as all the political parties that have been in power or in office.
- marcus_holmes 2y ago
  It's not what the comment meant, but worth adding that the UK security forces have wanted this ever since they lost the ability to read everyone's mail and listen to our calls. They actively lobby every sitting government for this kind of bill, and (I have no doubt) promise all kinds of support for politicians who push their agenda.
- ljm 2y ago
  It's similar in concept to 'in power'. The government holds office, rather than it being in power. It's more to say that the power isn't derived from the government itself, but the office they are elected into. Every government to hold office = every previous party that was elected and formed a government
freedomben 2y ago
Indeed, this is the standard playbook worldwide for people in power, especially: 1. Politicians in power that want to do something that is unpopular. 2. Corporations that want to implement an unpopular policy. The evil genius part of it is that it not only allows them to test the temperature of the water, but also to: 1. Claim they are hearing the people and withdrew it, and even claim it as a victory. 2. Shift the Overton window so next time it comes up, people are desensitized. 3. Try again basically forever until they're able to get it passed. 4. Time it better around elections to avoid consequences. Voters have the memory of a goldfish, and are so party/identity-driven that it isn't hard to manipulate them.
- snowwrestler 2y ago
  It's the standard playbook for anyone who wants to be successful. Persistence is frequently cited as a crucial factor in success, and frequently celebrated in the back stories of stars in business, tech, sports, media, the arts, etc. Persistence is so important because other people you're competing against are also persistent. This is not specific to "people in power" and there is no special legislative trick to defeat it. If you care about something, you have to stand up for it, persistently.

by ljm 2y ago

rmbyrro 2y ago

What do you mean by "to hold office"? How does this help a politician hold to power?

utensil4778 2y ago
Parent is saying it has been the strategy of every party which has held power. Not that the strategy helps them hold power.
ytwySXpMbS 2y ago
They mean any party that's had majority control of parliament, they don't mean it's been used as a strategy to get there but rather once they're ruling it's been introduced
newdee 2y ago
I don’t think that’s what they mean. I just read it as all the political parties that have been in power or in office.
marcus_holmes 2y ago
It's not what the comment meant, but worth adding that the UK security forces have wanted this ever since they lost the ability to read everyone's mail and listen to our calls. They actively lobby every sitting government for this kind of bill, and (I have no doubt) promise all kinds of support for politicians who push their agenda.
ljm 2y ago
It's similar in concept to 'in power'. The government holds office, rather than it being in power. It's more to say that the power isn't derived from the government itself, but the office they are elected into. Every government to hold office = every previous party that was elected and formed a government

freedomben 2y ago

Indeed, this is the standard playbook worldwide for people in power, especially: 1. Politicians in power that want to do something that is unpopular. 2. Corporations that want to implement an unpopular policy. The evil genius part of it is that it not only allows them to test the temperature of the water, but also to: 1. Claim they are hearing the people and withdrew it, and even claim it as a victory. 2. Shift the Overton window so next time it comes up, people are desensitized. 3. Try again basically forever until they're able to get it passed. 4. Time it better around elections to avoid consequences. Voters have the memory of a goldfish, and are so party/identity-driven that it isn't hard to manipulate them.

snowwrestler 2y ago
It's the standard playbook for anyone who wants to be successful. Persistence is frequently cited as a crucial factor in success, and frequently celebrated in the back stories of stars in business, tech, sports, media, the arts, etc. Persistence is so important because other people you're competing against are also persistent. This is not specific to "people in power" and there is no special legislative trick to defeat it. If you care about something, you have to stand up for it, persistently.