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"I and many other former students" My grasp of English isn't without flaws, but that seems to be a pretty direct lie unless he was also a former student at Lam

• seoulmetro 2y ago
  No. It is commonly assumed as "I and other [group]" means that you are part of the group, but not always. It could mean you and other group share the same situation. "I and other dads, had to wait for the train." are you a Dad? Most likely based on general use, but what if you were just the tour guide for the dads.
  • kcatskcolbdi 2y ago
    Then you would say "I and a group of dads". "I and other dads" directly states that you are part of a group (dads).
    • seoulmetro 2y ago
      No it doesn't. It can. "I and a group of dads" creates disassociation where there may be more association to the group than their status as dads.
      • School-Cotton 2y ago
        > No it doesn't. What? Yes it does. To any native English speaker, “I and other X” means you’re part of X, always.