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Surprise surprise, polluters want to continue to pollute

by hanniabu 2y ago

candiddevmike 2y ago
I don't get the endgame here. If you need to drink water to survive, why would you oppose this?
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Your drinking water is not their drinking water. Profits over humans, it is as simple as that. In the case of water utilities, it is a burden they do not want to meet, because work is hard.
  - dubcanada 2y ago
    This is just completely untrue, your drinking water is their drinking water. And the sooner everyone understands this the faster we can get to actually managing our extremely crucial drinking water supplies.
    - thatguy0900 2y ago
      Millionaires will never have to worry about if they will have enough clean water to drink, and can get whatever filter works the best. How many of them starved to death during the great depression?
    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      > This is just completely untrue, your drinking water is their drinking water. In the same way that Zuckerburg and other wealthy folks building compounds and large estates in Hawaii, New Zealand, and other enclaves share the same world we do: technically accurate, but realistically it is worlds apart. Business is like water, it will flow through the path of least resistance to achieve profits, with the costs and harm socialized amongst us at scale. If you are of means, your water is safe, you can afford to make it so (whether that be water filtration, trucked in water, or simply moving elsewhere). If you are not, you are cattle to be squeezed with little regard for water quality and safety, because those who profit will be long gone when the bill comes due (see: 3M [1], Dupont & Chemours [2], etc [3]). 46 million Americans don't have access to safe drinking water today [4], without compounding the problem with pollutants from for profit actors. "Show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome." -- Charlie Munger [1] https://apnews.com/article/pfas-drinking-water-settlement-3m-fa41cadfe0d65b9723377a681df43af1 https://apnews.com/article/pfas-drinking-water-settlement-3m... [2] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/1-18-billion-deal-reached-over-drinking-water-contamination-by-forever-chemicals https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/1-18-billion-deal-reache... [3] https://www.epa.gov/superfund/search-superfund-sites-where-you-live#map https://www.epa.gov/superfund/search-superfund-sites-where-y... [4] https://www.fastcompany.com/90858376/were-going-backwards-in-water-access-how-46-million-americans-still-dont-have-safe-drinking-water https://www.fastcompany.com/90858376/were-going-backwards-in... ("More than 46 million people in the U.S. live with water insecurity—either no running water or water that may be unsafe to drink. Experts say at least $18.4 billion is needed over the next 10 years to bring water security to more people, although the Environmental Protection Agency and American Water Works Association estimates it would cost close to fully $1 trillion to replace and repair the U.S.’ aging infrastructure.") (TLDR Gotta lean hard into these regulations to protect humans at scale, the barbarians are always going to stretch for yield at cost of the human; you must make the consequences so punitive even the most dark triad and/or low empathy human will shy away from an action with high risk of harm incurred)
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    - chucksta 2y ago
      %15 of the US population uses a private well
- abofh 2y ago
  Mostly admission of liability. The longer they can argue that the government deemed it safe, the harder it is to sue them for knowingly contaminating water supplies.
- badosu 2y ago
  Bottled water producers love it

Surprise surprise, polluters want to continue to pollute

candiddevmike 2y ago

I don't get the endgame here. If you need to drink water to survive, why would you oppose this?

toomuchtodo 2y ago
Your drinking water is not their drinking water. Profits over humans, it is as simple as that. In the case of water utilities, it is a burden they do not want to meet, because work is hard.
- dubcanada 2y ago
  This is just completely untrue, your drinking water is their drinking water. And the sooner everyone understands this the faster we can get to actually managing our extremely crucial drinking water supplies.
  - thatguy0900 2y ago
    Millionaires will never have to worry about if they will have enough clean water to drink, and can get whatever filter works the best. How many of them starved to death during the great depression?
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    > This is just completely untrue, your drinking water is their drinking water. In the same way that Zuckerburg and other wealthy folks building compounds and large estates in Hawaii, New Zealand, and other enclaves share the same world we do: technically accurate, but realistically it is worlds apart. Business is like water, it will flow through the path of least resistance to achieve profits, with the costs and harm socialized amongst us at scale. If you are of means, your water is safe, you can afford to make it so (whether that be water filtration, trucked in water, or simply moving elsewhere). If you are not, you are cattle to be squeezed with little regard for water quality and safety, because those who profit will be long gone when the bill comes due (see: 3M [1], Dupont & Chemours [2], etc [3]). 46 million Americans don't have access to safe drinking water today [4], without compounding the problem with pollutants from for profit actors. "Show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome." -- Charlie Munger [1] https://apnews.com/article/pfas-drinking-water-settlement-3m-fa41cadfe0d65b9723377a681df43af1 https://apnews.com/article/pfas-drinking-water-settlement-3m... [2] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/1-18-billion-deal-reached-over-drinking-water-contamination-by-forever-chemicals https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/1-18-billion-deal-reache... [3] https://www.epa.gov/superfund/search-superfund-sites-where-you-live#map https://www.epa.gov/superfund/search-superfund-sites-where-y... [4] https://www.fastcompany.com/90858376/were-going-backwards-in-water-access-how-46-million-americans-still-dont-have-safe-drinking-water https://www.fastcompany.com/90858376/were-going-backwards-in... ("More than 46 million people in the U.S. live with water insecurity—either no running water or water that may be unsafe to drink. Experts say at least $18.4 billion is needed over the next 10 years to bring water security to more people, although the Environmental Protection Agency and American Water Works Association estimates it would cost close to fully $1 trillion to replace and repair the U.S.’ aging infrastructure.") (TLDR Gotta lean hard into these regulations to protect humans at scale, the barbarians are always going to stretch for yield at cost of the human; you must make the consequences so punitive even the most dark triad and/or low empathy human will shy away from an action with high risk of harm incurred)
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  - chucksta 2y ago
    %15 of the US population uses a private well
abofh 2y ago
Mostly admission of liability. The longer they can argue that the government deemed it safe, the harder it is to sue them for knowingly contaminating water supplies.
badosu 2y ago
Bottled water producers love it