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Are you saying that $2500 is an unreasonable amount for a small business to invest in itself or let alone within startup costs? If I started a tow-truck compan

Are you saying that $2500 is an unreasonable amount for a small business to invest in itself or let alone within startup costs? If I started a tow-truck company, that would be a small business. I would also expect to invest more than $2500 into my tow-truck. I trust a tangible analogy should be sufficient to get my point across.

gabrielgio 2y ago
> Are you saying that $2500 is an unreasonable amount for a small business to invest in itself or let alone within startup costs? No, he is saying that is too much money to spend on something you don’t need.
- practicemaths 2y ago
  A price conscious consumer will not purchase this then. I am confused at what the issue here is then. The business presumably set their price for their target audience. If that price is too high then you are not the target audience.
  - gabrielgio 2y ago
    > Why does it always seem like the tech industry hates small businesses? They is venting/complaining about SUSE not caring about small companies. That is it.
    - donmcronald 2y ago
      It's not just SUSE. It's almost everyone in the industry. No one wants to talk to you unless you can spend $5-10k per year and that just doesn't work for small owner operated businesses. The thing people don't realize is that it's not just one company like SUSE that won't sell you anything unless you can spend $2500 / year, it's everyone with their hand out asking for a few thousand dollars. There are several places where I could justify $100 to keep a single Linux VM running for a year, but $2500 is never going to happen. I don't expect anyone to provide support, but why not sell me access for one machine for $100? I think the article is more like "SUSE Offers Lifeline to CentOS Users with 100+ Servers".
donmcronald 2y ago
I’m talking about small owner operated businesses. A lot of them will compete with owner absent franchises that are set up to make $30-50k per year. So the owner can draw that, plus the salary of one employee. Often that puts their salary around $100k. $2500 is what a lot of them would be looking to spend on a firewall, switch, and AP (total) which would have a 5 year lifecycle. They’ll have one or two VMs on a single server. So it ends up being $2500 for a single “server” (VM) if they need Linux for something. The tech industry is out of touch with the small business world and it’s getting worse.
neverartful 2y ago
That's probably not a good example. The odds of an tow-truck owner/operator needing to setup a linux server is pretty low. I exited the tech industry and now run a handyman service and even I probably wouldn't pay those fees.
- practicemaths 2y ago
  Actually, why would it be low? Dispatch? Accounting? Automatically handling invoices? There's plenty of reasons why a tow-truck company may want a server. Regardless, clearly I was talking about a tow-truck company buying a tow-truck and not a server, as I was trying to convey that the dollar amount isn't obscene for a small business to handle. As I am sure you're aware from your stated field of work that far more money than $2.5k is going into tools & such. Nothing with regards to my comment was to suggest that the service one would be paying for here is worth that money. Maybe it is or isn't, that not I was commenting on. It is purely that X amount of money was not unreasonable for a small business to expect to expense.

gabrielgio 2y ago

> Are you saying that $2500 is an unreasonable amount for a small business to invest in itself or let alone within startup costs? No, he is saying that is too much money to spend on something you don’t need.

practicemaths 2y ago
A price conscious consumer will not purchase this then. I am confused at what the issue here is then. The business presumably set their price for their target audience. If that price is too high then you are not the target audience.
- gabrielgio 2y ago
  > Why does it always seem like the tech industry hates small businesses? They is venting/complaining about SUSE not caring about small companies. That is it.
  - donmcronald 2y ago
    It's not just SUSE. It's almost everyone in the industry. No one wants to talk to you unless you can spend $5-10k per year and that just doesn't work for small owner operated businesses. The thing people don't realize is that it's not just one company like SUSE that won't sell you anything unless you can spend $2500 / year, it's everyone with their hand out asking for a few thousand dollars. There are several places where I could justify $100 to keep a single Linux VM running for a year, but $2500 is never going to happen. I don't expect anyone to provide support, but why not sell me access for one machine for $100? I think the article is more like "SUSE Offers Lifeline to CentOS Users with 100+ Servers".

donmcronald 2y ago

I’m talking about small owner operated businesses. A lot of them will compete with owner absent franchises that are set up to make $30-50k per year. So the owner can draw that, plus the salary of one employee. Often that puts their salary around $100k. $2500 is what a lot of them would be looking to spend on a firewall, switch, and AP (total) which would have a 5 year lifecycle. They’ll have one or two VMs on a single server. So it ends up being $2500 for a single “server” (VM) if they need Linux for something. The tech industry is out of touch with the small business world and it’s getting worse.

neverartful 2y ago

That's probably not a good example. The odds of an tow-truck owner/operator needing to setup a linux server is pretty low. I exited the tech industry and now run a handyman service and even I probably wouldn't pay those fees.

practicemaths 2y ago
Actually, why would it be low? Dispatch? Accounting? Automatically handling invoices? There's plenty of reasons why a tow-truck company may want a server. Regardless, clearly I was talking about a tow-truck company buying a tow-truck and not a server, as I was trying to convey that the dollar amount isn't obscene for a small business to handle. As I am sure you're aware from your stated field of work that far more money than $2.5k is going into tools & such. Nothing with regards to my comment was to suggest that the service one would be paying for here is worth that money. Maybe it is or isn't, that not I was commenting on. It is purely that X amount of money was not unreasonable for a small business to expect to expense.