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> In July, the Council Presidency will transfer from Belgium to Hungary, which has stated its intention to advance negotiations on chat control as part of its w

by sva_ 2y ago

> In July, the Council Presidency will transfer from Belgium to Hungary, which has stated its intention to advance negotiations on chat control as part of its work program. That does not make me very hopeful.

pilsetnieks 2y ago
"Make Europe Great Again". Seriously, that is the new slogan for the Hungarian EU presidency. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/18/europe/hungary-make-europe-great-again-motto-intl-latam/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/18/europe/hungary-make-europ...
- Maken 2y ago
  Orban never disappoints.
- HeckFeck 2y ago
  Connotations aside, using a well worn slogan 8 years later is uninspired. This makes it very ironic.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    It's even more ironic when Trump uses it. Like, weren't you supposed to do that 8 years ago? What happened? You didn't do it? Why should we think you'll do it this time? I mean, I guess it's become like a brand name. But if you think about it for a minute, it's carrying a subtext that Trump failed last time.
  - kibwen 2y ago
    > well worn slogan 8 years later is uninspired Ironic considering that "Let's Make America Great Again" was Ronald Reagan's campaign slogan in 1980.
    - UberFly 2y ago
      Bill Clinton too I believe.
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    - DougN7 2y ago
      And Hitler used it too.
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      - codetrotter 2y ago
        > What's True > A prominent theme during the Nazi Party's ascendancy was restoring Germany to its former greatness, and Adolf Hitler used the phrase "make Germany great again" upon occasion. > What's False > "Make Germany Great Again" was not a (campaign) slogan employed by Hitler, and Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler are far from the only politicians who promised to make their countries "great again." https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/make-germany-great-again/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/make-germany-great-again/
      - michpoch 2y ago
        Hitler wanted to make America Great Again? He kinda succeeded…
  - 3836293648 2y ago
    Wasn't Thatcher the first? And Make Britain Great Again is so much better than America/Europe/literally anything that doesn't have great in its name
    - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
      It's true, as an acronym MBGA just slips off the tongue.
      - toyg 2y ago
        It's fun to stay at the EEEEEM BE GEE AY, It's fun to stay at the EEEEM BE GEE AY...
      - rainsil 2y ago
        That’s a good thing. Expanded slogans have object-level meanings. Acronyms just stand as identity markers, and are much easier to dismiss. It’s harder to argue against “Make America Great Again” or “Black Lives Matter”. Their object-level meanings are fairly anodyne and positive. It’s much easier to argue against “MAGA” or “BLM”, since the meaning is obscured by the acronym. Political movements with nice slogans should avoid turning them into acronyms.
      - defrost 2y ago
        The rebuttal from The Beat flowed I see no joy I see only sorrow I see no chance of your bright new tomorrow So stand down Margaret Stand down please
- kergonath 2y ago
  It’s doublespeak. Orbán is not interested in making Europe or the EU any stronger, just in extracting as much as he can from it. He only cares about Hungary. However, it is a signal (we cannot really talk of dog whistle here, it’s rather obvious) to other far-right parties with similar nationalist agenda that he’s on their side. So a better reading might be “make [individual countries in] Europe great again”.
  - rebolek 2y ago
    He only cares about himself, not Hungary.
    - cenamus 2y ago
      Money, power and football, in no particular order, to be precise
  - ramesh31 2y ago
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    - sofixa 2y ago
      > The EU is a behemoth that absolutely steamrolls smaller countries into submission Yet curiously Hungary has been allowed to steep down into authoritarianism, and none of Orban's excesses like media or judicial overreaches have been been overiden through submission.
    - dtx1 2y ago
      > That sounds fine for the people of Hungary whom he represents. What should he do, roll over and take it from Germany? The EU is a behemoth that absolutely steamrolls smaller countries into submission. But the squeaky wheel gets greased. What a uneducated, populistic and stupid take. Just a litle basic statistics about net contributors vs net benificiaries: https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/ https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-... Gemany pays shitloads of money into the EU so that places like hungary can benefit. If they feel that's being "steamrolled" into accepting things like the contracts they fucking signed they can fuck back off into irrelevance. As a German tax payer i'd appreciate that very much.
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dindobre 2y ago
I hope they don't use Hungary as the scapegoat to pass this kind of stuff, the fact that something like Chat Control is even discussed is gross already.
- vasco 2y ago
  I think Hungary recently has had some spats with the EU so maybe they will use the approval of Chat Control as some sort of trade with something else they want to keep doing.
- p_l 2y ago
  Orban would welcome the powers gained through Chat Control, so...
nalekberov 2y ago
Sounds to me more like boiling the frog.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> does not make me very hopeful Belgium proposed the damn thing.
eigenket 2y ago
This time the proposal got canned because Germany said they would vote against it. Unless that changes it isn't going to make any progress. A lot of Germans still remember the Stazi, so its pretty unlikely that this shit is going to pass.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > the proposal got canned because Germany said they would vote against it Both the far left and right in Germany are against this, correct?
  - eigenket 2y ago
    I'm far from an expert in German politics, but there are obvious historical reasons why Germans like the idea of having a right to privacy.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > there are obvious historical reasons why Germans like the idea of having a right to privacy There are obvious historical reasons why they shouldn't try far-right, race-based politics, yet here we are [1]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/rise-germanys-most-successful-far-right-party-since-nazis-2023-06-07/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/rise-germanys-most-succ...
    - flawn 2y ago
      I don't even understand why people never look and understand the history that happened outside of their country. Just the sheer risk of having a society like in the DDR is reason enough to not do stuff like that. We never learn (long-term) from the past.
      - soco 2y ago
        A sizeable part of Germany is nostalgic after the good ole times, be it of 50 years ago or of 90 years ago. You can see them at the voting booths.
soco 2y ago
Just because somebody is called "president" doesn't mean they enjoy the same privileges as a US president. The presidency of the Council does nothing more than calling for discussions. No extra powers, no extra influence, so whoever is in charge matters way less than they'd like to claim (in this particular case to impress Putin, I would suppose).
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pilsetnieks 2y ago

"Make Europe Great Again". Seriously, that is the new slogan for the Hungarian EU presidency. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/18/europe/hungary-make-europe-great-again-motto-intl-latam/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/18/europe/hungary-make-europ...

Maken 2y ago
Orban never disappoints.
HeckFeck 2y ago
Connotations aside, using a well worn slogan 8 years later is uninspired. This makes it very ironic.
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  It's even more ironic when Trump uses it. Like, weren't you supposed to do that 8 years ago? What happened? You didn't do it? Why should we think you'll do it this time? I mean, I guess it's become like a brand name. But if you think about it for a minute, it's carrying a subtext that Trump failed last time.
- kibwen 2y ago
  > well worn slogan 8 years later is uninspired Ironic considering that "Let's Make America Great Again" was Ronald Reagan's campaign slogan in 1980.
  - UberFly 2y ago
    Bill Clinton too I believe.
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  - DougN7 2y ago
    And Hitler used it too.
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    - codetrotter 2y ago
      > What's True > A prominent theme during the Nazi Party's ascendancy was restoring Germany to its former greatness, and Adolf Hitler used the phrase "make Germany great again" upon occasion. > What's False > "Make Germany Great Again" was not a (campaign) slogan employed by Hitler, and Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler are far from the only politicians who promised to make their countries "great again." https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/make-germany-great-again/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/make-germany-great-again/
    - michpoch 2y ago
      Hitler wanted to make America Great Again? He kinda succeeded…
- 3836293648 2y ago
  Wasn't Thatcher the first? And Make Britain Great Again is so much better than America/Europe/literally anything that doesn't have great in its name
  - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
    It's true, as an acronym MBGA just slips off the tongue.
    - toyg 2y ago
      It's fun to stay at the EEEEEM BE GEE AY, It's fun to stay at the EEEEM BE GEE AY...
    - rainsil 2y ago
      That’s a good thing. Expanded slogans have object-level meanings. Acronyms just stand as identity markers, and are much easier to dismiss. It’s harder to argue against “Make America Great Again” or “Black Lives Matter”. Their object-level meanings are fairly anodyne and positive. It’s much easier to argue against “MAGA” or “BLM”, since the meaning is obscured by the acronym. Political movements with nice slogans should avoid turning them into acronyms.
    - defrost 2y ago
      The rebuttal from The Beat flowed I see no joy I see only sorrow I see no chance of your bright new tomorrow So stand down Margaret Stand down please
kergonath 2y ago
It’s doublespeak. Orbán is not interested in making Europe or the EU any stronger, just in extracting as much as he can from it. He only cares about Hungary. However, it is a signal (we cannot really talk of dog whistle here, it’s rather obvious) to other far-right parties with similar nationalist agenda that he’s on their side. So a better reading might be “make [individual countries in] Europe great again”.
- rebolek 2y ago
  He only cares about himself, not Hungary.
  - cenamus 2y ago
    Money, power and football, in no particular order, to be precise
- ramesh31 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - sofixa 2y ago
    > The EU is a behemoth that absolutely steamrolls smaller countries into submission Yet curiously Hungary has been allowed to steep down into authoritarianism, and none of Orban's excesses like media or judicial overreaches have been been overiden through submission.
  - dtx1 2y ago
    > That sounds fine for the people of Hungary whom he represents. What should he do, roll over and take it from Germany? The EU is a behemoth that absolutely steamrolls smaller countries into submission. But the squeaky wheel gets greased. What a uneducated, populistic and stupid take. Just a litle basic statistics about net contributors vs net benificiaries: https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/ https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-... Gemany pays shitloads of money into the EU so that places like hungary can benefit. If they feel that's being "steamrolled" into accepting things like the contracts they fucking signed they can fuck back off into irrelevance. As a German tax payer i'd appreciate that very much.
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dindobre 2y ago

I hope they don't use Hungary as the scapegoat to pass this kind of stuff, the fact that something like Chat Control is even discussed is gross already.

vasco 2y ago
I think Hungary recently has had some spats with the EU so maybe they will use the approval of Chat Control as some sort of trade with something else they want to keep doing.
p_l 2y ago
Orban would welcome the powers gained through Chat Control, so...

nalekberov 2y ago

Sounds to me more like boiling the frog.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> does not make me very hopeful Belgium proposed the damn thing.

eigenket 2y ago

This time the proposal got canned because Germany said they would vote against it. Unless that changes it isn't going to make any progress. A lot of Germans still remember the Stazi, so its pretty unlikely that this shit is going to pass.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> the proposal got canned because Germany said they would vote against it Both the far left and right in Germany are against this, correct?
- eigenket 2y ago
  I'm far from an expert in German politics, but there are obvious historical reasons why Germans like the idea of having a right to privacy.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > there are obvious historical reasons why Germans like the idea of having a right to privacy There are obvious historical reasons why they shouldn't try far-right, race-based politics, yet here we are [1]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/rise-germanys-most-successful-far-right-party-since-nazis-2023-06-07/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/rise-germanys-most-succ...
  - flawn 2y ago
    I don't even understand why people never look and understand the history that happened outside of their country. Just the sheer risk of having a society like in the DDR is reason enough to not do stuff like that. We never learn (long-term) from the past.
    - soco 2y ago
      A sizeable part of Germany is nostalgic after the good ole times, be it of 50 years ago or of 90 years ago. You can see them at the voting booths.

soco 2y ago

Just because somebody is called "president" doesn't mean they enjoy the same privileges as a US president. The presidency of the Council does nothing more than calling for discussions. No extra powers, no extra influence, so whoever is in charge matters way less than they'd like to claim (in this particular case to impress Putin, I would suppose).

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