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50% population growth over 40 years is far from "crazy". Especially considering that most of the USA is empty.

by csomar 2y ago

reducesuffering 2y ago
That population growth did not go into "most of the USA is empty", it went into the same metro areas of SF Bay, LA, NYC, Texas, DC, etc. contributing to the speculative investment cost of living crisis that many homeless peoples lives have been destroyed by.
happytoexplain 2y ago
Yes, but we are not building in the empty area. We either need to reduce population growth, or convince politicians, voters, people looking to buy, and developers that just because we can't make a new hip metro area overnight doesn't mean we simply ignore all our available land (rather than continuously talking past each other on the issue of "we need more housing in desirable areas" vs "we need to not harm desirable areas"). Both seem like impossible tasks, depressingly.
- caeril 2y ago
  Cart before the horse. The problem is status. It's significantly easier and cheaper to build in the "empty areas", and developers would love to build there, were the demand present. It's not the developers or politicians you need to convince. It's the status-oriented urbanite bugman. It's the urbanite bugmen who think people in flyover country are all filthy rednecks, who are literally afraid of living in an area without human feces and used heroin needles on the sidewalk, that you need to convince. These people prefer living in high-cost, high-crime environments because shopping at a bodega makes you the right class of people, not like those trashy Wal-Mart customers. So instead of even considering moving to the empty areas, they bitch about "developers" and "politicians" standing the way of building more $3000/mo 300 ft^2 bugman pods, just so they can tell all their friends that they live in the "right" place. It's all about status, and nothing is sweeter than the tears of these people. Their unhappiness at their self-inflicted "problem" is a beautiful thing. Status-oriented people are the lowest form of life. Let them wallow in it.
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  - archagon 2y ago
    I’m perfectly happy in my heroin-laced, shit encrusted city. You, on the other hand, sound miserable.
  - TheCowboy 2y ago
    You're so caught up in your polarized hot take that you completely ignore why people don't want to live in empty areas. A lot of people don't want to live where it's empty. It's really that simple. They like being near other people, having access to the services, don't want to waste precious hours commuting, and that's where the jobs are.

50% population growth over 40 years is far from "crazy". Especially considering that most of the USA is empty.

by csomar 2y ago

50% population growth over 40 years is far from "crazy". Especially considering that most of the USA is empty.

That population growth did not go into "most of the USA is empty", it went into the same metro areas of SF Bay, LA, NYC, Texas, DC, etc. contributing to the speculative investment cost of living crisis that many homeless peoples lives have been destroyed by.

happytoexplain 2y ago

Yes, but we are not building in the empty area. We either need to reduce population growth, or convince politicians, voters, people looking to buy, and developers that just because we can't make a new hip metro area overnight doesn't mean we simply ignore all our available land (rather than continuously talking past each other on the issue of "we need more housing in desirable areas" vs "we need to not harm desirable areas"). Both seem like impossible tasks, depressingly.

caeril 2y ago
Cart before the horse. The problem is status. It's significantly easier and cheaper to build in the "empty areas", and developers would love to build there, were the demand present. It's not the developers or politicians you need to convince. It's the status-oriented urbanite bugman. It's the urbanite bugmen who think people in flyover country are all filthy rednecks, who are literally afraid of living in an area without human feces and used heroin needles on the sidewalk, that you need to convince. These people prefer living in high-cost, high-crime environments because shopping at a bodega makes you the right class of people, not like those trashy Wal-Mart customers. So instead of even considering moving to the empty areas, they bitch about "developers" and "politicians" standing the way of building more $3000/mo 300 ft^2 bugman pods, just so they can tell all their friends that they live in the "right" place. It's all about status, and nothing is sweeter than the tears of these people. Their unhappiness at their self-inflicted "problem" is a beautiful thing. Status-oriented people are the lowest form of life. Let them wallow in it.
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- archagon 2y ago
  I’m perfectly happy in my heroin-laced, shit encrusted city. You, on the other hand, sound miserable.
- TheCowboy 2y ago
  You're so caught up in your polarized hot take that you completely ignore why people don't want to live in empty areas. A lot of people don't want to live where it's empty. It's really that simple. They like being near other people, having access to the services, don't want to waste precious hours commuting, and that's where the jobs are.