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> $25 per server/instance per year Yes! > with a minimum $2,500 investment required Noooo! Why does it always seem like the tech industry hates small busine

> $25 per server/instance per year Yes! > with a minimum $2,500 investment required Noooo! Why does it always seem like the tech industry hates small businesses?

neverartful 2y ago
Big corporations have a ton of dead weight that they have to pay for somehow.
pkaye 2y ago
Maybe someone can clone this repo and give it to everyone else for free since it's open source software?
yayr 2y ago
if you want a free version of the Suse stack there is leap https://get.opensuse.org/leap https://get.opensuse.org/leap I think for personal use or very small businesses that should be good enough. It is also quite straightforward to switch between leap and SLES and back if you decide to switch your support setup.
- brnt 2y ago
  Leap is a dead end though.
  - atiedebee 2y ago
    How so? 15.6 was just released
    - brnt 2y ago
      It was released after community pushback on 15.5 being the last. Then they are now calling something Leap 16, but it hasnt much tot do with Leap: https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/17/opensuse_confirms_leap_16/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/17/opensuse_confirms_lea...
      - yayr 2y ago
        It seems that SUSE wants to shift its enterprise offering to ALP (adaptable linux platform) instead of the legacy SLE platform to better support modern workloads. https://www.suse.com/c/suse-salp-raises-the-bar-on-confidential-computing/ https://www.suse.com/c/suse-salp-raises-the-bar-on-confident... it makes sense to then also shift the open source stream in that direction, which is happening with Leap 16.
        brnt 2y ago
        It was announced after the end of Leap was proclaimed, again feeding suspicion that Leap 16 is meant to save some goodwill rather than part of a solid plan of supporting users. It all looks opportunistic, the total opposite of what users of such distros expect. You can built out your use of it at your peril.
      - lproven 2y ago
        That's my article, FWIW. I got a lot of unhappy feedback from SUSE for it, but they did not deliver solid tech info I asked for, even given 2 days to do so. TL;DR summary: they're focussing on immutable distros now, but unlike rival efforts such as Endless (Debian + OStree) or immutable Fedora (OStree all the way down) or Ubuntu Core (Snap all the way down), SUSE implemented transactional packaging using Btrfs snapshots and plain old RPM. So, underneath, it's structured pretty much the same as conventional SUSE. That means you can turn the immutability function off, if desired, and be left with something quite conventional.
practicemaths 2y ago
How is $2,500 not a reasonable expense for a small business?
- BenjiWiebe 2y ago
  $2,500 is a lot of money. 50 hours at $50/hour. Plenty (most?) small business owners aren't making $50 per hour.
  - practicemaths 2y ago
    Is this a one time expense or continuously yearly? The pricing description in the article wasn't making that clear to me. Regardless, $2500 is more than reasonable write off expense for startup costs in almost any sector a "small-business" may operate in. 100k is more than a believable amount of revenue for a small business to have.
    - Suppafly 2y ago
      The problem is that many people hear small business and assume it's like 1-10 employees, but really small business is anything up to ~500 employees and millions in revenue.
- sealeck 2y ago
  It's a lot more servers than a business would need?
  - practicemaths 2y ago
    "Pricing starts at a reasonable $25 per server/instance per year, with a minimum $2,500 investment required." So is it 100 server minimum or is it $2,500 upfront plus $25 per year after that for a single server/instance?
    - adamomada 2y ago
      Right now it’s $2500/year unless you have more than 100 servers, each server thereafter would be $25 on top of $2500. It’s most likely because the costs of doing any business with other businesses isn’t worth it with a $25 minimum. I hope they get some feedback and reduce the minimum, but I completely understand the rationale.

> $25 per server/instance per year Yes! > with a minimum $2,500 investment required Noooo! Why does it always seem like the tech industry hates small businesses?

neverartful 2y ago

Big corporations have a ton of dead weight that they have to pay for somehow.

pkaye 2y ago

Maybe someone can clone this repo and give it to everyone else for free since it's open source software?

yayr 2y ago

if you want a free version of the Suse stack there is leap https://get.opensuse.org/leap https://get.opensuse.org/leap I think for personal use or very small businesses that should be good enough. It is also quite straightforward to switch between leap and SLES and back if you decide to switch your support setup.

brnt 2y ago
Leap is a dead end though.
- atiedebee 2y ago
  How so? 15.6 was just released
  - brnt 2y ago
    It was released after community pushback on 15.5 being the last. Then they are now calling something Leap 16, but it hasnt much tot do with Leap: https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/17/opensuse_confirms_leap_16/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/17/opensuse_confirms_lea...
    - yayr 2y ago
      It seems that SUSE wants to shift its enterprise offering to ALP (adaptable linux platform) instead of the legacy SLE platform to better support modern workloads. https://www.suse.com/c/suse-salp-raises-the-bar-on-confidential-computing/ https://www.suse.com/c/suse-salp-raises-the-bar-on-confident... it makes sense to then also shift the open source stream in that direction, which is happening with Leap 16.
      - brnt 2y ago
        It was announced after the end of Leap was proclaimed, again feeding suspicion that Leap 16 is meant to save some goodwill rather than part of a solid plan of supporting users. It all looks opportunistic, the total opposite of what users of such distros expect. You can built out your use of it at your peril.
    - lproven 2y ago
      That's my article, FWIW. I got a lot of unhappy feedback from SUSE for it, but they did not deliver solid tech info I asked for, even given 2 days to do so. TL;DR summary: they're focussing on immutable distros now, but unlike rival efforts such as Endless (Debian + OStree) or immutable Fedora (OStree all the way down) or Ubuntu Core (Snap all the way down), SUSE implemented transactional packaging using Btrfs snapshots and plain old RPM. So, underneath, it's structured pretty much the same as conventional SUSE. That means you can turn the immutability function off, if desired, and be left with something quite conventional.

practicemaths 2y ago

How is $2,500 not a reasonable expense for a small business?

BenjiWiebe 2y ago
$2,500 is a lot of money. 50 hours at $50/hour. Plenty (most?) small business owners aren't making $50 per hour.
- practicemaths 2y ago
  Is this a one time expense or continuously yearly? The pricing description in the article wasn't making that clear to me. Regardless, $2500 is more than reasonable write off expense for startup costs in almost any sector a "small-business" may operate in. 100k is more than a believable amount of revenue for a small business to have.
  - Suppafly 2y ago
    The problem is that many people hear small business and assume it's like 1-10 employees, but really small business is anything up to ~500 employees and millions in revenue.
sealeck 2y ago
It's a lot more servers than a business would need?
- practicemaths 2y ago
  "Pricing starts at a reasonable $25 per server/instance per year, with a minimum $2,500 investment required." So is it 100 server minimum or is it $2,500 upfront plus $25 per year after that for a single server/instance?
  - adamomada 2y ago
    Right now it’s $2500/year unless you have more than 100 servers, each server thereafter would be $25 on top of $2500. It’s most likely because the costs of doing any business with other businesses isn’t worth it with a $25 minimum. I hope they get some feedback and reduce the minimum, but I completely understand the rationale.