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The objective is that everything in Easy be configured by simple GUIs, without having to fiddle about on the commandline Screen with 20 checkboxes is never g

by ozim 2y ago

*The objective is that everything in Easy be configured by simple GUIs, without having to fiddle about on the commandline* Screen with 20 checkboxes is never going to make simple GUI. I can imagine “configuring most common cases should be possible with simple GUIs” but *everything* is going to be challenging.

epr 2y ago
I've been daily driving Linux for maybe 10 years, and I see all these pushes for "lets make it easy. no cli!" as counter-productive. The cli is the interface on unix based systems, and the more time you spend learning fundamental knowledge like that instead of some ephemeral, unportable skin for the cli, the better off you'll be.
- djbusby 2y ago
  For power users. General users want this point and click thing, Windows/Mac got them used to it. It's sorta functional on mobile OS too. Its not like the CLI would (ever) disappear.
  - ozim 2y ago
    Problem is that some things will be hard no matter what. There are people that believe that everything should or can be easy. It is just painful to watch those people. Yes you can build some software that will make FFT useful and you don’t even know you use FFT in an application. But telling if an image is important for you to not compress it lossless way or 1000 of your images is or is not - well you have to sit down and make decisions and go one by one or make some rules that won’t be perfect.
hnlmorg 2y ago
Depends if they mean “everything” as in every option, or “everything” as in every service. The latter implies only common needs covered in the GUI. Edit: the complete source paragraph does go on to list services. Which confirms they’re talking about every service rather than every imaginable operation.
- ozim 2y ago
  Then click service like "Easy containers" and look at screenshots provided and then there is one having "Expert" tab - they don't provide screenshot of that and I bet there are at least 10 checkboxes. Most likely if you are an expert you already have one liner ready to configure "Expert" stuff and you don't want to click checkboxes.
  - hnlmorg 2y ago
    You might be right, however you're constructing an argument around an assumption there. Like yourself, I find the CLI more intuitive than a GUI (so much so, I even wrote my own $SHELL and terminal emulator), but it's difficult to argue for or against their specific approach when the subject is based on speculation. If you're able to share a screenshot of their "Expert" tab to show how it's not particularly easy to use, then that would go a lot further to demonstrate your point.
    - ozim 2y ago
      For the discussion at hand I am perfectly fine not spending my time installing EasyOS to make a screenshot and leaving my point exactly where it is :)
Wowfunhappy 2y ago
Classic Mac OS literally did not have a command line, and was generally pretty easy to use. The situation isn't identical, but broadly speaking the goal of having a GUI for everything which is still good and powerful feels to me like it should be possible, albeit not easy!

*The objective is that everything in Easy be configured by simple GUIs, without having to fiddle about on the commandline* Screen with 20 checkboxes is never g

by ozim 2y ago

epr 2y ago

I've been daily driving Linux for maybe 10 years, and I see all these pushes for "lets make it easy. no cli!" as counter-productive. The cli is the interface on unix based systems, and the more time you spend learning fundamental knowledge like that instead of some ephemeral, unportable skin for the cli, the better off you'll be.

djbusby 2y ago
For power users. General users want this point and click thing, Windows/Mac got them used to it. It's sorta functional on mobile OS too. Its not like the CLI would (ever) disappear.
- ozim 2y ago
  Problem is that some things will be hard no matter what. There are people that believe that everything should or can be easy. It is just painful to watch those people. Yes you can build some software that will make FFT useful and you don’t even know you use FFT in an application. But telling if an image is important for you to not compress it lossless way or 1000 of your images is or is not - well you have to sit down and make decisions and go one by one or make some rules that won’t be perfect.

hnlmorg 2y ago

Depends if they mean “everything” as in every option, or “everything” as in every service. The latter implies only common needs covered in the GUI. Edit: the complete source paragraph does go on to list services. Which confirms they’re talking about every service rather than every imaginable operation.

ozim 2y ago
Then click service like "Easy containers" and look at screenshots provided and then there is one having "Expert" tab - they don't provide screenshot of that and I bet there are at least 10 checkboxes. Most likely if you are an expert you already have one liner ready to configure "Expert" stuff and you don't want to click checkboxes.
- hnlmorg 2y ago
  You might be right, however you're constructing an argument around an assumption there. Like yourself, I find the CLI more intuitive than a GUI (so much so, I even wrote my own $SHELL and terminal emulator), but it's difficult to argue for or against their specific approach when the subject is based on speculation. If you're able to share a screenshot of their "Expert" tab to show how it's not particularly easy to use, then that would go a lot further to demonstrate your point.
  - ozim 2y ago
    For the discussion at hand I am perfectly fine not spending my time installing EasyOS to make a screenshot and leaving my point exactly where it is :)

Wowfunhappy 2y ago

Classic Mac OS literally did not have a command line, and was generally pretty easy to use. The situation isn't identical, but broadly speaking the goal of having a GUI for everything which is still good and powerful feels to me like it should be possible, albeit not easy!