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Not the same thing but they did use terrorist financing act on them: https://reason.com/2022/02/15/canadian-government-uses-terrorist-financing-act-to-target-fi

Not the same thing but they did use terrorist financing act on them: https://reason.com/2022/02/15/canadian-government-uses-terrorist-financing-act-to-target-financial-support-for-freedom-convoy-truckers/ https://reason.com/2022/02/15/canadian-government-uses-terro...

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> they did use terrorist financing act on them Is the Emergencies Act a terrorist-financing act? Or is the financing statute within it simply only scoped for terrorism? (I'm just going off the names. Emergencies Act sounds like a Swiss army knife law.) In any case, thought the original claim that "Canada listed the freedom truckers as a terrorist group" was B.S., and appreciate your confirming as much.
- billy99k 2y ago
  You're splitting hairs intentionally to make it seem like the OP is wrong. Many people that were part of the freedom truckers movement had their bank accounts seized and the Canadian government used an act against them, classifying the movement as a terrorist group. How else could they use the act against them? Covid brought out authoritarian regimes in Canada and the US. We should have investigations and prison time for many of these leaders, but instead we have boot lickers like you that outright deny it happened it the first place. I now see how the Nazis took over Germany so easily.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > How else could they use the act against them? By listing them as a terrorist group. Like they have the IRGC. There is legitimate criticism of Ottawa's crackdown on freedom truckers. But that doesn't make untrue statements true. Like, warantless surveillance is a problem in America. That doesn't make every derogatory comment about the IC true, and rejecting those untrue statements a defender of warantless surveillance one does not make. I find analogy in how people who were hysterical with the data on climate change undermined, in the long run, public trust in those data. Echo chambers work in the short run, but they corrode in the long. > see how the Nazis took over Germany so easily The Nazis' Big Lie was in the Weimar Republic being illegitimate. (Lying, and then making anyone who corrects the lie out as an enemy of the party was another common tactic.)
    - loceng 2y ago
      My reply - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40734834 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40734834 - here I wrote more detail in a comment higher up that give some credibility to the idea-sentiment, even if factually the Freedom Convoy was never officially classified as terrorists - in short they did [illegaly] have the Emergencies Act invoked against them which gave them perhaps the same or even more powers to be executed against peacefully protesting Canadians [of which even a judge said they could continue their protest in Ottawa itself, where it can't honestly be called an "occupation" that the mob wants to attempt to demonize the largest peaceful protest in Canadian history - as part of Trudeau's effort to guilt by association paint them all as "dirty" Nazis - using the "disgust" tactic on them]. Re: "The Nazis' Big Lie was in the Weimar Republic being illegitimate. (Lying, and then making anyone who corrects the lie out as an enemy of the party was another common tactic.)" Perhaps the big lie, starts as, that the Freedom Convoy are dirty Nazis - having the leverage and reach, power, of the state-funded media like CBC et al - to propagate and train-teach people to believe that, to then avoid anyone associated with the Freedom Convoy - or For example, have you heard about the National Citizens' Inquiry and testimonies that have been being collected, on video and published, starting in 2023 and continuing in 2024? These testimonies include whistle blowers from various Canadian government institutions [medical and otherwise] - and also CBC - as well as those who were harmed/permanently injured by the COVID mRNA shots [and gaslit by the government institutions]: https://nationalcitizensinquiry.ca/ https://nationalcitizensinquiry.ca/
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > even if factually the Freedom Convoy was never officially classified as terrorists - in short they did [illegaly] have the Emergencies Act invoked against them which gave them perhaps the same or even more powers to be executed against peacefully protesting Canadians Sure. They were treated like terrorists. They weren’t listed as a terrorist group. This wouldn’t be material out in the open. But in response to an article about another entity actually being listed as a terrorist group, it’s a false equivalence. (In the way saying, in general, sugar and Splenda are basically the same thing is fine, but in response to an article about the health effects of Splenda it’s not.)
  - loceng 2y ago
    I think my replies to JumpCrisscross would help clarify a lot for them, however I'm uncertain they'll see - or bother reading my comments - since they were recently successful in helping flag/get other comments of mine blocked; maybe they also setup their forum to hide-block all comments from me? Maybe reply to them and link my comments so they'll be at least aware there's a more thorough explanation-history shared with them? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40734834 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40734834 & https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40734859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40734859

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> they did use terrorist financing act on them Is the Emergencies Act a terrorist-financing act? Or is the financing statute within it simply only scoped for terrorism? (I'm just going off the names. Emergencies Act sounds like a Swiss army knife law.) In any case, thought the original claim that "Canada listed the freedom truckers as a terrorist group" was B.S., and appreciate your confirming as much.

billy99k 2y ago
You're splitting hairs intentionally to make it seem like the OP is wrong. Many people that were part of the freedom truckers movement had their bank accounts seized and the Canadian government used an act against them, classifying the movement as a terrorist group. How else could they use the act against them? Covid brought out authoritarian regimes in Canada and the US. We should have investigations and prison time for many of these leaders, but instead we have boot lickers like you that outright deny it happened it the first place. I now see how the Nazis took over Germany so easily.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > How else could they use the act against them? By listing them as a terrorist group. Like they have the IRGC. There is legitimate criticism of Ottawa's crackdown on freedom truckers. But that doesn't make untrue statements true. Like, warantless surveillance is a problem in America. That doesn't make every derogatory comment about the IC true, and rejecting those untrue statements a defender of warantless surveillance one does not make. I find analogy in how people who were hysterical with the data on climate change undermined, in the long run, public trust in those data. Echo chambers work in the short run, but they corrode in the long. > see how the Nazis took over Germany so easily The Nazis' Big Lie was in the Weimar Republic being illegitimate. (Lying, and then making anyone who corrects the lie out as an enemy of the party was another common tactic.)
  - loceng 2y ago
    My reply - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40734834 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40734834 - here I wrote more detail in a comment higher up that give some credibility to the idea-sentiment, even if factually the Freedom Convoy was never officially classified as terrorists - in short they did [illegaly] have the Emergencies Act invoked against them which gave them perhaps the same or even more powers to be executed against peacefully protesting Canadians [of which even a judge said they could continue their protest in Ottawa itself, where it can't honestly be called an "occupation" that the mob wants to attempt to demonize the largest peaceful protest in Canadian history - as part of Trudeau's effort to guilt by association paint them all as "dirty" Nazis - using the "disgust" tactic on them]. Re: "The Nazis' Big Lie was in the Weimar Republic being illegitimate. (Lying, and then making anyone who corrects the lie out as an enemy of the party was another common tactic.)" Perhaps the big lie, starts as, that the Freedom Convoy are dirty Nazis - having the leverage and reach, power, of the state-funded media like CBC et al - to propagate and train-teach people to believe that, to then avoid anyone associated with the Freedom Convoy - or For example, have you heard about the National Citizens' Inquiry and testimonies that have been being collected, on video and published, starting in 2023 and continuing in 2024? These testimonies include whistle blowers from various Canadian government institutions [medical and otherwise] - and also CBC - as well as those who were harmed/permanently injured by the COVID mRNA shots [and gaslit by the government institutions]: https://nationalcitizensinquiry.ca/ https://nationalcitizensinquiry.ca/
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > even if factually the Freedom Convoy was never officially classified as terrorists - in short they did [illegaly] have the Emergencies Act invoked against them which gave them perhaps the same or even more powers to be executed against peacefully protesting Canadians Sure. They were treated like terrorists. They weren’t listed as a terrorist group. This wouldn’t be material out in the open. But in response to an article about another entity actually being listed as a terrorist group, it’s a false equivalence. (In the way saying, in general, sugar and Splenda are basically the same thing is fine, but in response to an article about the health effects of Splenda it’s not.)
- loceng 2y ago
  I think my replies to JumpCrisscross would help clarify a lot for them, however I'm uncertain they'll see - or bother reading my comments - since they were recently successful in helping flag/get other comments of mine blocked; maybe they also setup their forum to hide-block all comments from me? Maybe reply to them and link my comments so they'll be at least aware there's a more thorough explanation-history shared with them? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40734834 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40734834 & https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40734859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40734859