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Glad we moved the discussion into the Overton window of firmware. Maybe it's too early to start shipping metaphors in wetware, but developing general heuristic

Glad we moved the discussion into the Overton window of firmware. Maybe it's too early to start shipping metaphors in wetware, but developing general heuristics for productive+reproducible+survivable self-fuzzing? (*) "n X's" might still be a useful template to keep in mind, yes? Here are some good resources to explore the pain-gain frontier. (Or its baby versions, the supplies-surprise dilemma, shiprate quantification, etc.) [0-1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-024-02525-w https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-024-02525-w https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.15070 https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.15070 [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=Critical%20period&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... [0] caveat lector: "nature physics" is where economics that's almost certain to be rejected for very good proboscidean-tail-wiggling reasons would be dumped. (*) Going back to the "Blindsight tangent", the social-political plane might already be an ideal platform to begin quantitative experimentation. ("Bylaws as wetware")

mistermann 2y ago
> Maybe it's too early to start shipping metaphors in wetware I have some bad news for you, we've been at it for a long time. > but developing general heuristics for Oh God please no, we have too many already. I'm also generally speaking not a fan of apply principles from physics to metaphysics. I suspect I'm mostly misunderstanding you though, so take the above accordingly. (HN search can uncover/surface some very interesting phenomena, it is a very underappreciated tool.)
- vinnyvichy 2y ago
  >Who knows what our absolute capabilities are, especially if we hardly or maybe even never try (at least certain things)? Ego quoque, for misunderstanding what you meant by "certain things" (>) I stress that I manifestly do not want to see physicists and tech bros publish bio-meta-how-tos just yet, did you mean high quality professionally conducted BSL training? As for 082349872349872, I think exploring the Taoist metaphysics of marginally injurious mutual surprise as an epsilon over Buddhist tainted reinterpretations could be at most a waste of time. And what's more, I can vouch that he's not a physicist, not even vicariously. >though an ideology taking root in the mind is necessary to exploit its capabilities to their maximum. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=Mistermann%20capabilities&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Okay so give me an example of an interesting ideology, as opposed to merely a conspiracy theory, such as "applying skepticism to your own beliefs" ) I could hit the News, but I am interested in how you think. E.g. did I misunderstand that you are interested in locating the precise quantitative boundaries of Systems I vs II? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27489329 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27489329
  - mistermann 2y ago
    > Ego quoque, for misunderstanding what you meant by "certain things" (>) > I stress that I manifestly do not want to see physicists and tech bros publish bio-meta-how-tos just yet, did you mean high quality professionally conducted BSL training? How to say....more like curiosity about, and the pursuit of correctness (or at least, accurate representation) of affairs within the metaphysical realm. Something like "Enlightenment 2.0 - The Final Chapter" lol > I think exploring the Taoist metaphysics of marginally injurious mutual surprise as an epsilon over Buddhist tainted reinterpretations could be at most a waste of time. As a Taoist, I am very interested in whether you're interested in the truth value of this belief (and if so, to what degree). (Or were you perhaps using ambiguous language deliberately, for fun: "could be" could be a reference to a subset of the whole, or the whole itself....which did you mean? edit: "at most" seems to imply the whole?) > And what's more, I can vouch that he's not a physicist, not even vicariously. Can I trust you though? > Okay so give me an example of an interesting ideology, as opposed to merely a conspiracy theory, such as "applying skepticism to your own beliefs" ) Ok: I am interested in ~"Non-binary, Comprehensive Truth". Not only is it interesting (to me), it is essentially blasphemous in Western Culture, 2024, so much so that I suspect it may lead to me getting banned from this forum some day (I've certainly been given fair warning at least, so "no one to blame but myself"). > as opposed to merely a conspiracy theory, such as "applying skepticism to your own beliefs" As a Conspiracy Theorist and a Pedant, I lol'd. What a great start to the day!! > I could hit the News, but I am interested in how you think. Me too! I am extremely curious about what "thinking" is". I suspect it is quite other than what it seems to be, and is told to be (pardon the redundancy). > E.g. did I misunderstand that you are interested in locating the precise quantitative boundaries of Systems I vs II? I take a more vague perspective: I am interested in the nature of the distinction, and ways we could optimize it (individually and collectively). If you think about it, our current era (in the Blinded by Science and destroying our ecosystem as a consequence Western World at least) is fascinating: one one hand the humans have extensive knowledge that thinking is what separates us from other (known) life forms on the planet, and yet we pay it essentially no mind (at least at the public level...I suspect what goes on behind closed doors, perhaps within various Three Letter Agencies, perhaps elsewhere, is very different. But then that sort of thing is a conspiracy theory, and we all know what that means epistemically). I often what would happen if we were to do otherwise. But how to accomplish such a thing? How to even desire to try?

mistermann 2y ago

> Maybe it's too early to start shipping metaphors in wetware I have some bad news for you, we've been at it for a long time. > but developing general heuristics for Oh God please no, we have too many already. I'm also generally speaking not a fan of apply principles from physics to metaphysics. I suspect I'm mostly misunderstanding you though, so take the above accordingly. (HN search can uncover/surface some very interesting phenomena, it is a very underappreciated tool.)

vinnyvichy 2y ago
>Who knows what our absolute capabilities are, especially if we hardly or maybe even never try (at least certain things)? Ego quoque, for misunderstanding what you meant by "certain things" (>) I stress that I manifestly do not want to see physicists and tech bros publish bio-meta-how-tos just yet, did you mean high quality professionally conducted BSL training? As for 082349872349872, I think exploring the Taoist metaphysics of marginally injurious mutual surprise as an epsilon over Buddhist tainted reinterpretations could be at most a waste of time. And what's more, I can vouch that he's not a physicist, not even vicariously. >though an ideology taking root in the mind is necessary to exploit its capabilities to their maximum. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=Mistermann%20capabilities&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Okay so give me an example of an interesting ideology, as opposed to merely a conspiracy theory, such as "applying skepticism to your own beliefs" ) I could hit the News, but I am interested in how you think. E.g. did I misunderstand that you are interested in locating the precise quantitative boundaries of Systems I vs II? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27489329 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27489329
- mistermann 2y ago
  > Ego quoque, for misunderstanding what you meant by "certain things" (>) > I stress that I manifestly do not want to see physicists and tech bros publish bio-meta-how-tos just yet, did you mean high quality professionally conducted BSL training? How to say....more like curiosity about, and the pursuit of correctness (or at least, accurate representation) of affairs within the metaphysical realm. Something like "Enlightenment 2.0 - The Final Chapter" lol > I think exploring the Taoist metaphysics of marginally injurious mutual surprise as an epsilon over Buddhist tainted reinterpretations could be at most a waste of time. As a Taoist, I am very interested in whether you're interested in the truth value of this belief (and if so, to what degree). (Or were you perhaps using ambiguous language deliberately, for fun: "could be" could be a reference to a subset of the whole, or the whole itself....which did you mean? edit: "at most" seems to imply the whole?) > And what's more, I can vouch that he's not a physicist, not even vicariously. Can I trust you though? > Okay so give me an example of an interesting ideology, as opposed to merely a conspiracy theory, such as "applying skepticism to your own beliefs" ) Ok: I am interested in ~"Non-binary, Comprehensive Truth". Not only is it interesting (to me), it is essentially blasphemous in Western Culture, 2024, so much so that I suspect it may lead to me getting banned from this forum some day (I've certainly been given fair warning at least, so "no one to blame but myself"). > as opposed to merely a conspiracy theory, such as "applying skepticism to your own beliefs" As a Conspiracy Theorist and a Pedant, I lol'd. What a great start to the day!! > I could hit the News, but I am interested in how you think. Me too! I am extremely curious about what "thinking" is". I suspect it is quite other than what it seems to be, and is told to be (pardon the redundancy). > E.g. did I misunderstand that you are interested in locating the precise quantitative boundaries of Systems I vs II? I take a more vague perspective: I am interested in the nature of the distinction, and ways we could optimize it (individually and collectively). If you think about it, our current era (in the Blinded by Science and destroying our ecosystem as a consequence Western World at least) is fascinating: one one hand the humans have extensive knowledge that thinking is what separates us from other (known) life forms on the planet, and yet we pay it essentially no mind (at least at the public level...I suspect what goes on behind closed doors, perhaps within various Three Letter Agencies, perhaps elsewhere, is very different. But then that sort of thing is a conspiracy theory, and we all know what that means epistemically). I often what would happen if we were to do otherwise. But how to accomplish such a thing? How to even desire to try?