> it sounds like this issue is enormously more of an abstract concept to you than it is for me Maybe. On the off chance you may have some first hand experience

> it sounds like this issue is enormously more of an abstract concept to you than it is for me Maybe. On the off chance you may have some first hand experience with these topics, I would be inclined to believe you. However, considering the standard for transparency you yourself have set earlier, I would have needed more than a simple affirmation. > i don't want the policies you favor I do not want them either. I do not favour them. Quite the opposite. That’s actually my entire initial point: what I favour is hard to reconcile with my experiences and the emotions associated with them. You could have offered some interesting, helpful, constructive, and interesting, perspective on that. And re-reading your replies, I’m pretty sure you tried in your own way. But instead it reads like you chose to come waltzing in and bite my head off. > when you opened that page, why did you just close it? why didn't you send those pictures to the police, to investigative journalists, or to a private investigator? I was 16, living in a foreign country. > so no, it wasn't whataboutism And I am glad it wasn’t. Thank you. As for the rest, I definitely understand and agree on the need for means to securely and reliably communicate information that some states would rather censor. Despite our differences, it is clear we both care about these issues. I am however afraid this is all the common ground you and I will be able to find. So I will stop engaging any further and step away from this conversation.