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Client-Side-Scanning: Chat Control Is Pure Surveillance State

54 points by janandonly 2y ago

JohnMakin 2y ago
Maybe we'll go full circle and go back to sending letters for communication.
- pintxo 2y ago
  That's probably what the actual criminals will do. And the rest of us will get 5€ fines for using inappropriate language in our chats.
2Gkashmiri 2y ago
so whats the whole fucking point of E2EE now? you mean your neigbourhood script kiddle shouldnt use firesheep to snoop on your password credentials but big brother must know all your secrets because.
- compootr 2y ago
  "protect the children!!!" my ass this is literally 1984
- hagbard_c 2y ago
  The whole fucking point of E2EE is that you use it with a service which does not try to circumvent it. Find an XMPP server or - better still - install one yourself and point Conversations (Android) or Gajim/Dino (desktop) at it. Configure those clients to use OMEMO and you'll keep the authorities and other nosy malcontents out.
TZubiri 2y ago
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- antoniojtorres 2y ago
  There are more constructive ways of saying that.
jeffhuys 2y ago
Tempted to create a device for me and my friends with just a screen and a blackberry-type keyboard.
protomolecule 2y ago
Come on, people. You have to fight this. Even we in Russia don't have anything like that and the government doesn't seem to be planning that.
- Obscurity4340 2y ago
  > We don't have anything like this How do you mean? Is anything e2ee actually "allowed"? Aren't VPNs illegal? Telegram doesn't count
  - protomolecule 2y ago
    I mean we don't have client-side scanning. VPNs aren't illegal, they are only (somewhat) blocked in Russia if they provide access to the sites blacklisted by Russian government. I don't know what's you problem with Telegram, but WhatsApp and Signal aren't blocked either.
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stavros 2y ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the proposal is to have messages scanned on-device, by an offline process, right? Which, of course, is impossible and ridiculous, and compromises the privacy of whatever message happens to match, but isn't mass, centralized scanning.
- jappgar 2y ago
  I think the question is, what happens when you attempt to send something illegal? Does it just prevent you from sending? If so, it seems like you could game that system very easily. Or does it notify the government that you have committed a crime?
  - stavros 2y ago
    That's a good question, probably reports you somewhere so they can look at your messages?
- salawat 2y ago
  >Which, of course, is impossible and ridiculous, and compromises the privacy of whatever message happens to match, but isn't mass, centralized scanning. ...Which set of boxes are you drawing? Because I see the box around all covered entities as a whole, and in the architecture diagram, regardless of whether the software is deployed in a decentralized way, it is toward a goal that is indistinguishable from centralized scanning by or on behalf of the State.
rickydroll 2y ago
need a copy of signal that generates fake messages and floods the spools with junk data

54 points by janandonly 2y ago

JohnMakin 2y ago

Maybe we'll go full circle and go back to sending letters for communication.

pintxo 2y ago
That's probably what the actual criminals will do. And the rest of us will get 5€ fines for using inappropriate language in our chats.

2Gkashmiri 2y ago

so whats the whole fucking point of E2EE now? you mean your neigbourhood script kiddle shouldnt use firesheep to snoop on your password credentials but big brother must know all your secrets because.

compootr 2y ago
"protect the children!!!" my ass this is literally 1984
hagbard_c 2y ago
The whole fucking point of E2EE is that you use it with a service which does not try to circumvent it. Find an XMPP server or - better still - install one yourself and point Conversations (Android) or Gajim/Dino (desktop) at it. Configure those clients to use OMEMO and you'll keep the authorities and other nosy malcontents out.

TZubiri 2y ago

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antoniojtorres 2y ago
There are more constructive ways of saying that.

jeffhuys 2y ago

Tempted to create a device for me and my friends with just a screen and a blackberry-type keyboard.

protomolecule 2y ago

Come on, people. You have to fight this. Even we in Russia don't have anything like that and the government doesn't seem to be planning that.

Obscurity4340 2y ago
> We don't have anything like this How do you mean? Is anything e2ee actually "allowed"? Aren't VPNs illegal? Telegram doesn't count
- protomolecule 2y ago
  I mean we don't have client-side scanning. VPNs aren't illegal, they are only (somewhat) blocked in Russia if they provide access to the sites blacklisted by Russian government. I don't know what's you problem with Telegram, but WhatsApp and Signal aren't blocked either.

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stavros 2y ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the proposal is to have messages scanned on-device, by an offline process, right? Which, of course, is impossible and ridiculous, and compromises the privacy of whatever message happens to match, but isn't mass, centralized scanning.

jappgar 2y ago
I think the question is, what happens when you attempt to send something illegal? Does it just prevent you from sending? If so, it seems like you could game that system very easily. Or does it notify the government that you have committed a crime?
- stavros 2y ago
  That's a good question, probably reports you somewhere so they can look at your messages?
salawat 2y ago
>Which, of course, is impossible and ridiculous, and compromises the privacy of whatever message happens to match, but isn't mass, centralized scanning. ...Which set of boxes are you drawing? Because I see the box around all covered entities as a whole, and in the architecture diagram, regardless of whether the software is deployed in a decentralized way, it is toward a goal that is indistinguishable from centralized scanning by or on behalf of the State.

rickydroll 2y ago

need a copy of signal that generates fake messages and floods the spools with junk data