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It pays badly yet it's the most essential bs-devoid job on this planet. That's showing how much our society is twisted.

by bobim 2y ago

malfist 2y ago
Oh there's lots of bullshit in farming, especially if you have cattle
- sir_eliah 2y ago
  Golden comment.
- cies 2y ago
  That why I hate the word "farm" and derivatives like "farmer" and "farming". On one side is see land cultivators and on the other hand i see animal exploiters. The first do -IHMO- a great job akin to school teacher, the latter do a horrible job akin to a concentration camp commander. Having one word to describe both is beyond me. That said, I do find it amazing how these two groups stick together and back each other up in politics!
  - ttyprintk 2y ago
    Ranchers and farmers are quite different and I get along much better with the latter. Their politics coincide when it comes to a common cause, like water for hay.
  - PuissantSheep 2y ago
    I think the terms "farmer" and "farm" are entirely appropriate, as the farms that traditionally sustained humanity absolutely required animals to provide labor, fertilize the soil, and consume what would otherwise be waste. This all looks like a "concentration camp" to vegans, because vegans enjoy their privileged beliefs. Veganism is a form of masochistic asceticism. But since I'm talking to a vegan interlocutor, the response will be "murderer, psychopath, exploiter, rapist, torturer", et cetera. The out-group is wrong and evil, by definition.
    - Vegenoid 2y ago
      Most vegans are not militant and hateful as you describe, they are just the most visible ones. Most vegans live regular lives and are friendly to omnivores, and you'd only know they were vegan if you spent some time with them and encountered situations where food decisions were being made.
    - cies 2y ago
      > I think the terms "farmer" and "farm" are entirely appropriate, as the farms that traditionally sustained humanity absolutely required animals to provide labor, fertilize the soil, and consume what would otherwise be waste. So there was a past in which the lines were more blurry and animals were not as hardcore exploited as they are today. I agree. And there was a time in which people in many places needed animal husbandry to survive (nomads, cold climates, etc. -- everywhere away from the habitat of the other primates). I agree. But what I do not agree on is that these two points make the word "farmer" less "cover two topics at once" in this day and age, were: 1) animals are most commonly being exploited at a massive scale when being "farmed", and 2) we can live really well without animal derived foods/clothes/labour
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soraminazuki 2y ago
Unfortunately, farming isn't devoid of BS either. As is the case with many other topics, John Oliver did multiple segments on that as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41vETgarh_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41vETgarh_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI78WOW_u-Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI78WOW_u-Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za45bT41sXg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za45bT41sXg Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me_2:_Holy_Chicken https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me_2:_Holy_Chicken

It pays badly yet it's the most essential bs-devoid job on this planet. That's showing how much our society is twisted.

by bobim 2y ago

It pays badly yet it's the most essential bs-devoid job on this planet. That's showing how much our society is twisted.

malfist 2y ago

Oh there's lots of bullshit in farming, especially if you have cattle

sir_eliah 2y ago
Golden comment.
cies 2y ago
That why I hate the word "farm" and derivatives like "farmer" and "farming". On one side is see land cultivators and on the other hand i see animal exploiters. The first do -IHMO- a great job akin to school teacher, the latter do a horrible job akin to a concentration camp commander. Having one word to describe both is beyond me. That said, I do find it amazing how these two groups stick together and back each other up in politics!
- ttyprintk 2y ago
  Ranchers and farmers are quite different and I get along much better with the latter. Their politics coincide when it comes to a common cause, like water for hay.
- PuissantSheep 2y ago
  I think the terms "farmer" and "farm" are entirely appropriate, as the farms that traditionally sustained humanity absolutely required animals to provide labor, fertilize the soil, and consume what would otherwise be waste. This all looks like a "concentration camp" to vegans, because vegans enjoy their privileged beliefs. Veganism is a form of masochistic asceticism. But since I'm talking to a vegan interlocutor, the response will be "murderer, psychopath, exploiter, rapist, torturer", et cetera. The out-group is wrong and evil, by definition.
  - Vegenoid 2y ago
    Most vegans are not militant and hateful as you describe, they are just the most visible ones. Most vegans live regular lives and are friendly to omnivores, and you'd only know they were vegan if you spent some time with them and encountered situations where food decisions were being made.
  - cies 2y ago
    > I think the terms "farmer" and "farm" are entirely appropriate, as the farms that traditionally sustained humanity absolutely required animals to provide labor, fertilize the soil, and consume what would otherwise be waste. So there was a past in which the lines were more blurry and animals were not as hardcore exploited as they are today. I agree. And there was a time in which people in many places needed animal husbandry to survive (nomads, cold climates, etc. -- everywhere away from the habitat of the other primates). I agree. But what I do not agree on is that these two points make the word "farmer" less "cover two topics at once" in this day and age, were: 1) animals are most commonly being exploited at a massive scale when being "farmed", and 2) we can live really well without animal derived foods/clothes/labour

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soraminazuki 2y ago

Unfortunately, farming isn't devoid of BS either. As is the case with many other topics, John Oliver did multiple segments on that as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41vETgarh_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41vETgarh_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI78WOW_u-Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI78WOW_u-Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za45bT41sXg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za45bT41sXg Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me_2:_Holy_Chicken https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me_2:_Holy_Chicken