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> But some of us also want support tech that fulfills the goals of the open web. You don't seem to care about that, but others do. Telling everyone its basicall

> But some of us also want support tech that fulfills the goals of the open web. You don't seem to care about that, but others do. Telling everyone its basically a lost cause is a silly and pointless endeavor, because PWAs are the long game, and you're playing the short game. Get off the cross, we could use the wood. Spare me. I love the web, in fact all my “apps” are built with web tech and I offer them all as websites/PWAs in addition to apps but standing on principals of only using the web as some kind of middle finger to the app stores AND your customers is just silly. So I bite the bullet and wrap my web apps in a thin wrapper and shove them into the App Store. You can call it principles but I just call it stubborn and dragging your customers into a crusade they don’t care about. At the end of the day I care about the customers of my products more than I care about trying to wage a losing war against something they actively want, apps from stores. Life is way too short to tie up your identity in things like this. I want to spend my time making products people enjoy using. If you actually care so much about PWAs then stop writing PWAs that your users hate using and go be a full time advocate for that instead. Right now shipping PWAs is a worse experience so the only one you hurt is yourself and your customers when you double down on them.

meiraleal 2y ago
Are you ok? Your hate for PWAs seems a bit excessive. Nowadays it's possible to build binaries for iOS and Android using PWAs and it'll behave just live your Cordova projects. Don't be stuck in the past.
- joshstrange 2y ago
  Please read my full comment: > I love the web, in fact all my “apps” are built with web tech and I offer them all as websites/PWAs I'm well aware you can build binaries and ship a PWA, I literally do that. I don't hate PWAs, I dislike people that refuse to ship anything but PWAs and I especially dislike being told I don't care about the "open web". If you want to be a martyr and _only_ ship PWAs be my guest but pretending it's noble is just silly and drags your customers (you know, the people you should actually care about) into a battle they don't give 2 shits about all while making their experience worse.
  - meiraleal 2y ago
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    - dang 2y ago
      Please don't cross into personal attack on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - throwaway9143 2y ago
    >I dislike people that refuse to ship anything but PWAs What a weird thing to get all bent out of shape over. People do things a different way than you, get over it. If someone wants to only ship PWAs, why does that bother you so much? Because they're hurting users, and you're trying to protect them?
    - mardifoufs 2y ago
      Yes, if so he's right. PWAs are a bad experience for the user or at least a worse one than even just a webapp wrapped in a native app, regardless of the reasons. I've never had a pwa not feel like a hanky browser tab, and this is on android.
      - throwaway9143 2y ago
        Yeah but nobody here is making the case that PWAs are better than native apps. The point is that PWAs are worth getting better support because it's better for everyone.
throwaway9143 2y ago
>If you actually care so much about PWAs then stop writing PWAs that your users hate using and go be a full time advocate for that instead. I do care about PWAs, and so I am advocating, right now. I don't know why you come across as so angry about people who advocate for PWAs. Pushing companies to adhere to open web standards is a good thing, otherwise we'd still be stuck in IE6 world.
- jmb99 2y ago
  It doesn’t count as advocating is your audience is only people who (in general) agree with you. I don’t think anyone on hackernews wants PWAs to be a worse experience, but they are. If you want to make a difference, you’re not gonna make it here. “Preaching to the choir” comes to mind.
  - throwaway9143 2y ago
    >If you want to make a difference, you’re not gonna make it here. I'm replying to the people who disagree with me here, and there are several. The readers who are on the fence can make up their own mind. Your discouragement is not necessary or useful.

meiraleal 2y ago

Are you ok? Your hate for PWAs seems a bit excessive. Nowadays it's possible to build binaries for iOS and Android using PWAs and it'll behave just live your Cordova projects. Don't be stuck in the past.

joshstrange 2y ago
Please read my full comment: > I love the web, in fact all my “apps” are built with web tech and I offer them all as websites/PWAs I'm well aware you can build binaries and ship a PWA, I literally do that. I don't hate PWAs, I dislike people that refuse to ship anything but PWAs and I especially dislike being told I don't care about the "open web". If you want to be a martyr and _only_ ship PWAs be my guest but pretending it's noble is just silly and drags your customers (you know, the people you should actually care about) into a battle they don't give 2 shits about all while making their experience worse.
- meiraleal 2y ago
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  - dang 2y ago
    Please don't cross into personal attack on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- throwaway9143 2y ago
  >I dislike people that refuse to ship anything but PWAs What a weird thing to get all bent out of shape over. People do things a different way than you, get over it. If someone wants to only ship PWAs, why does that bother you so much? Because they're hurting users, and you're trying to protect them?
  - mardifoufs 2y ago
    Yes, if so he's right. PWAs are a bad experience for the user or at least a worse one than even just a webapp wrapped in a native app, regardless of the reasons. I've never had a pwa not feel like a hanky browser tab, and this is on android.
    - throwaway9143 2y ago
      Yeah but nobody here is making the case that PWAs are better than native apps. The point is that PWAs are worth getting better support because it's better for everyone.

throwaway9143 2y ago

>If you actually care so much about PWAs then stop writing PWAs that your users hate using and go be a full time advocate for that instead. I do care about PWAs, and so I am advocating, right now. I don't know why you come across as so angry about people who advocate for PWAs. Pushing companies to adhere to open web standards is a good thing, otherwise we'd still be stuck in IE6 world.

jmb99 2y ago
It doesn’t count as advocating is your audience is only people who (in general) agree with you. I don’t think anyone on hackernews wants PWAs to be a worse experience, but they are. If you want to make a difference, you’re not gonna make it here. “Preaching to the choir” comes to mind.
- throwaway9143 2y ago
  >If you want to make a difference, you’re not gonna make it here. I'm replying to the people who disagree with me here, and there are several. The readers who are on the fence can make up their own mind. Your discouragement is not necessary or useful.