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It's amazing how many nice things we could have if we stopped using criminal law to reinforce the power of OEMs to exert control over what software can be run o

by advael 2y ago

It's amazing how many nice things we could have if we stopped using criminal law to reinforce the power of OEMs to exert control over what software can be run on the devices they sell

ginko 2y ago
The problem Apple's walled garden is that they don't mainly use criminal law but technology to protect it. Nothing really keeps you from legally jail breaking your iphone, but it's a painful process and staying up-to-date is a constant cat and mouse game with iOS devs. Only competition law can force them to open up properly.
- resource_waste 2y ago
  > Apple's walled garden Lol repeating Apple marketing in plain sight. There is no garden, its a prison. "Garden" is marketing jargon to beautify the reality of things. Think of the word Garden, fruits, vegetables, flowers. That word was specifically chosen by their marketing team for a reason. The reality is that Apple has dictator-style control and the ability to ban/punish people with no oversight. "Garden"...yeah words paint prettier pictures than reality if you let them.
anfilt 2y ago
Apple is not using any laws here at the moment at least in the US. Jail-breaking got granted an exception from the DMCA by the library of congress. What apple is using cryptography. Basically, the cryptography gives Apple an extralegal means to enforce whatever it wants. Also side note: I suggest you read this post/response I posted a while a ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39349288 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39349288
- advael 2y ago
  I understand your point and agree that the immediate-term solutions apple is employing are technological However, the environment in which Apple operates is defined by anti-circumvention. Yes you can legally jailbreak your phone. You can't legally run an R&D program to circumvent part-pairing, or develop a business around aftermarket modification of phones to modify or replace the boot ROM or other components. There's a reason third-party aftermarket modification of vehicles used to be a much bigger market and it's not the technological feasibility of developing modifications. The same is true of consumer electronics

by advael 2y ago

It's amazing how many nice things we could have if we stopped using criminal law to reinforce the power of OEMs to exert control over what software can be run on the devices they sell

ginko 2y ago

The problem Apple's walled garden is that they don't mainly use criminal law but technology to protect it. Nothing really keeps you from legally jail breaking your iphone, but it's a painful process and staying up-to-date is a constant cat and mouse game with iOS devs. Only competition law can force them to open up properly.

resource_waste 2y ago
> Apple's walled garden Lol repeating Apple marketing in plain sight. There is no garden, its a prison. "Garden" is marketing jargon to beautify the reality of things. Think of the word Garden, fruits, vegetables, flowers. That word was specifically chosen by their marketing team for a reason. The reality is that Apple has dictator-style control and the ability to ban/punish people with no oversight. "Garden"...yeah words paint prettier pictures than reality if you let them.

anfilt 2y ago

Apple is not using any laws here at the moment at least in the US. Jail-breaking got granted an exception from the DMCA by the library of congress. What apple is using cryptography. Basically, the cryptography gives Apple an extralegal means to enforce whatever it wants. Also side note: I suggest you read this post/response I posted a while a ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39349288 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39349288

advael 2y ago
I understand your point and agree that the immediate-term solutions apple is employing are technological However, the environment in which Apple operates is defined by anti-circumvention. Yes you can legally jailbreak your phone. You can't legally run an R&D program to circumvent part-pairing, or develop a business around aftermarket modification of phones to modify or replace the boot ROM or other components. There's a reason third-party aftermarket modification of vehicles used to be a much bigger market and it's not the technological feasibility of developing modifications. The same is true of consumer electronics