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Another day I'm happy my country (Switzerland) respects its citizens wishes to not join EU

by sakex 2y ago

the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
What's Switzerland's stance on this (message scanning)? From what I have seen this entire topic keeps coming up in the US, the UK and some European countries and is just impossible to keep dead, because some citizens are strongly lobbying in favor of it.
- 4gotunameagain 2y ago
  It's easier to run a country when it is holding all the drug cartel and dictator money of the planet. You do not have to steal from your citizens as much.
- HPsquared 2y ago
  The answer is to play the game, pay the piper, and lobby against it.
  - the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
    I'm not sure if this can work long term unless some fundamentals change. A lot of victims of CSEM will keep that topic alive. It's rather unpopular to stand against this given that "live with it" is sort of the only alternative.
- rvnx 2y ago
  The Swiss don't need this law because they have their own tradition of informing on each other.
generic92034 2y ago
Are you optimistic that Swiss citizens are unaffected by this?
Pooge 2y ago
Well it's not a "wish", we voted for it. Considering the current relationship between the Federal Council and the EU, I don't think it would be close this time around. Edit: Actually there was a votation for adhesion to the European Economic Area in 1992, but also for full adhesion to the EU in 2001 (rejected at 76.8%). Switzerland is not even close to become a member state.
LadyCailin 2y ago
As a Norwegian, I’m not sure this matters. You think app publishers are going to release a Swiss/Norwegian version that doesn’t have that? Nah, they’ll just release the same version with chat control in all of Europe. (Besides the fact that Norway usually rubber stamps EU rules without much consideration, which maybe isn’t a problem in Switzerland)
Moldoteck 2y ago
1- if you talk to a person from eu, your data will be affected 2- nobody guarantees switzerland will not want to do the same thing, just like UK. 3- switzerland is not part of eu, but certain behavior of sw is influenced by the eu's decisions, since basically all the border is shared with eu countries and those can put pressure on switzerland to adapt certain laws (ofc not openly)

Another day I'm happy my country (Switzerland) respects its citizens wishes to not join EU

by sakex 2y ago

Another day I'm happy my country (Switzerland) respects its citizens wishes to not join EU

What's Switzerland's stance on this (message scanning)? From what I have seen this entire topic keeps coming up in the US, the UK and some European countries and is just impossible to keep dead, because some citizens are strongly lobbying in favor of it.

4gotunameagain 2y ago
It's easier to run a country when it is holding all the drug cartel and dictator money of the planet. You do not have to steal from your citizens as much.
HPsquared 2y ago
The answer is to play the game, pay the piper, and lobby against it.
- the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
  I'm not sure if this can work long term unless some fundamentals change. A lot of victims of CSEM will keep that topic alive. It's rather unpopular to stand against this given that "live with it" is sort of the only alternative.
rvnx 2y ago
The Swiss don't need this law because they have their own tradition of informing on each other.

generic92034 2y ago

Are you optimistic that Swiss citizens are unaffected by this?

Pooge 2y ago

Well it's not a "wish", we voted for it. Considering the current relationship between the Federal Council and the EU, I don't think it would be close this time around. Edit: Actually there was a votation for adhesion to the European Economic Area in 1992, but also for full adhesion to the EU in 2001 (rejected at 76.8%). Switzerland is not even close to become a member state.

LadyCailin 2y ago

As a Norwegian, I’m not sure this matters. You think app publishers are going to release a Swiss/Norwegian version that doesn’t have that? Nah, they’ll just release the same version with chat control in all of Europe. (Besides the fact that Norway usually rubber stamps EU rules without much consideration, which maybe isn’t a problem in Switzerland)

Moldoteck 2y ago

1- if you talk to a person from eu, your data will be affected 2- nobody guarantees switzerland will not want to do the same thing, just like UK. 3- switzerland is not part of eu, but certain behavior of sw is influenced by the eu's decisions, since basically all the border is shared with eu countries and those can put pressure on switzerland to adapt certain laws (ofc not openly)