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Why is anyone surprised about this? This will be a global phenomenon since LLMs together with ubiquitous surveillance brings down the costs of policing to 0. Ju

Why is anyone surprised about this? This will be a global phenomenon since LLMs together with ubiquitous surveillance brings down the costs of policing to 0. Just add police drones and you have a foolproof system. There is not a single country in this world whose leaders will decide that "nah we dont need perfect surveillance"

peoplefromibiza 2y ago
> Just add police drones and you have a foolproof system except you don't. And this is exactly the issue here: by removing police from the streets, doing policing work, not repression as they do in the US, people started feeling less and less secure, which is somewhat also kinda true and they will gladly accept anything that promises more security, which in turn will increase the sense of insecurity and promote more technological surveillance, in a never ending shitty feedback loop.
- questinthrow 2y ago
  The loop is intentional though. You need political will to pass laws like these so you have to create crises for it. But as you say its a self sustaining cycle and the end result will be fully automated repression. The old arguments of "Oh well the policemen have families too" will go away once drones can enforce your dictatorship
  - peoplefromibiza 2y ago
    > The loop is intentional though Of course, but it's also a consequence of being rich countries. Nobody wants to actually be a cop anymore, after studying for years to get a degree and finally get a cop's salary, and I understand them. The good news is that unless you are Japanese living in a dystopian anime, automated (kawaiiii) drone repression will never work in practice. https://theglorioblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/psychopass2police.jpg https://theglorioblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/psychop...
    - questinthrow 2y ago
      Shame, I would have enjoyed the kawaii look more than the DJI suicide drone look
    - coretx 2y ago
      Over here in NLD they dont make them study. They mostly hire morons and give them a course so stupid a above average intelligent person could pass the exam within a month. And it shows on the streets. ( They even taser unarmed elderly on a mobility device and no one bats an eye ) Nobody wants to work for a corrupt and imbecile organisation.
      - peoplefromibiza 2y ago
        > They mostly hire morons yeah, same here, that's part of the problem though, which reinforces the idea that police can be replaced by autonomous robotic agents. Which is not true. Some examples from my country, some are laughable, some are horrifying https://www.gardapost.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/robot-yape-1.jpg https://www.gardapost.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/robot-ya... https://www.gedistatic.it/content/gnn/img/ilsecoloxix/2023/12/19/154926895-687f179b-d549-42c5-a1c3-7864e065f0cc.jpg?webp https://www.gedistatic.it/content/gnn/img/ilsecoloxix/2023/1...
        questinthrow 2y ago
        Oh I wasnt envisioning this when I talked about the situation above. I guess my vision is 20 years from now where you will have LLMs scanning everything and predicting your danger level, if it arises over a certain threshold they just send killbots to deal with you if you dont comply by reporting to your local private prison

peoplefromibiza 2y ago

> Just add police drones and you have a foolproof system except you don't. And this is exactly the issue here: by removing police from the streets, doing policing work, not repression as they do in the US, people started feeling less and less secure, which is somewhat also kinda true and they will gladly accept anything that promises more security, which in turn will increase the sense of insecurity and promote more technological surveillance, in a never ending shitty feedback loop.

questinthrow 2y ago
The loop is intentional though. You need political will to pass laws like these so you have to create crises for it. But as you say its a self sustaining cycle and the end result will be fully automated repression. The old arguments of "Oh well the policemen have families too" will go away once drones can enforce your dictatorship
- peoplefromibiza 2y ago
  > The loop is intentional though Of course, but it's also a consequence of being rich countries. Nobody wants to actually be a cop anymore, after studying for years to get a degree and finally get a cop's salary, and I understand them. The good news is that unless you are Japanese living in a dystopian anime, automated (kawaiiii) drone repression will never work in practice. https://theglorioblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/psychopass2police.jpg https://theglorioblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/psychop...
  - questinthrow 2y ago
    Shame, I would have enjoyed the kawaii look more than the DJI suicide drone look
  - coretx 2y ago
    Over here in NLD they dont make them study. They mostly hire morons and give them a course so stupid a above average intelligent person could pass the exam within a month. And it shows on the streets. ( They even taser unarmed elderly on a mobility device and no one bats an eye ) Nobody wants to work for a corrupt and imbecile organisation.
    - peoplefromibiza 2y ago
      > They mostly hire morons yeah, same here, that's part of the problem though, which reinforces the idea that police can be replaced by autonomous robotic agents. Which is not true. Some examples from my country, some are laughable, some are horrifying https://www.gardapost.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/robot-yape-1.jpg https://www.gardapost.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/robot-ya... https://www.gedistatic.it/content/gnn/img/ilsecoloxix/2023/12/19/154926895-687f179b-d549-42c5-a1c3-7864e065f0cc.jpg?webp https://www.gedistatic.it/content/gnn/img/ilsecoloxix/2023/1...
      - questinthrow 2y ago
        Oh I wasnt envisioning this when I talked about the situation above. I guess my vision is 20 years from now where you will have LLMs scanning everything and predicting your danger level, if it arises over a certain threshold they just send killbots to deal with you if you dont comply by reporting to your local private prison