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https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0... Note the gender, as well as the

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0... Note the gender, as well as the Korean Mudang,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_shamanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_shamanism Chinese tongji (manifestly not gendered) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongji_(spirit_medium) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongji_(spirit_medium) (& Old nordic seiðkona apophenically Proto-tungusic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism#Terminology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism#Terminology

vinnyvichy 2y ago
https://languagehat.com/kolmogorov/ https://languagehat.com/kolmogorov/ For the folklorists, the comments-readers, the invertebrate meme-chasers >If we're not in pain, we're not alive https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm
- BalinKing 2y ago
  Maybe I'm totally lost, but this thread of self-replies makes me suspect a Markov chain generated them or something like that. The same is true for some—but not all—of your other comments, which feels really weird to me. Of course, maybe I'm way off base, and what you're saying makes total sense and is just going over my head. I wonder if dang (or another mod) has already seen this....
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    I suspect vinnyvichy may have been "conversing with gods and ghosts" ... but until I manage to translate that page I shan't be sure :-)
    - vinnyvichy 2y ago
      Indeed I would have most preferred "spirits & spectres" because that one has a neutral connotation in Chinese. The referent of your 三殺法, "kill the buddha-spirit, kill your demised-forebears"《临济录》(written back when Taoism had not been fully differentiated from Buddhism) was way more suicidal in ideation.. The heart of kenshin (or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiyuki_(manga) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiyuki_(manga)): https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/32380940?utm_id=0 https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/32380940?utm_id=0 https://academic.oup.com/book/38937/chapter-abstract/338123182?redirectedFrom=fulltext https://academic.oup.com/book/38937/chapter-abstract/3381231...
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        What are the various connotations of gods, ghosts, spirits, and spectres in Chinese? (Continue the series: 天大人小 ??) Come to think of it, "God is Dead" is true for both christians and Nietzsche's madman: as Gautama's charioteer explains, living things are subject to age, disease, and death; the christian god is subject to none of these, therefore He –not being quick— is dead.
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        vinnyvichy 2y ago
        what would JZY say? Here, it is explained that “神“ would be used in a posthumous title out of politeness... (JZY wrote down Px for that) https://view.inews.qq.com/k/20231216A08KQ700?no-redirect=1&web_channel=wap&openApp=false https://view.inews.qq.com/k/20231216A08KQ700?no-redirect=1&w...
  - vinnyvichy 2y ago
    Let me prove that I am your curtness-challenged Dwalin :)
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      dwarves delve into discourses by the length of their beards not the height of their heads
  - bradrn 2y ago
    I’ve also noticed this with vinnyvichy and 082349872349872 (who mostly seem to respond to each other). Probably it should be reported to dang if it hasn’t been already. (The first time I saw it, I wondered if I was going insane, because the conversations seemed unrelated to the topic and nonsensical in themselves… good to know there’s nothing I’m missing!)
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      It's a bit like an abacus: the motion of beads on each individual rod may not seem to make much sense, but there is a meaning to the calculation taken as a whole. (Hmm: presentation does a great deal for providing meaning; imagine a "write-only" tetris game where instead of presenting the current state of the playfield, completed rows stayed on the display and dropped pieces stretched through them to incomplete rows. I think that'd be much more difficult than the traditional view) Lagniappe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40714981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40714981 (Sorry for interrupting your regular HN? Maybe we ought to bump up the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_(CDMA)#:~:text=The%20chip%20rate%20of%20a,is%20transmitted%20(or%20received) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_(CDMA)#:~:text=The%20chip.... rate and attempt to dive beneath the noise floor again?)
      - vinnyvichy 2y ago
        So your bufferbloat curve comment refers to how congestion doesn't depend linearly on symbol rate, e.g https://superuser.com/questions/1324956/is-bufferbloat-triggered-on-a-certain-speed https://superuser.com/questions/1324956/is-bufferbloat-trigg...? Or is there more to it (like hidden Shannon assumptions not priced in with the chiprate e.g https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30130091 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30130091 https://phys.org/news/2024-06-cooperation-evolve-limited-payoff-memory.html https://phys.org/news/2024-06-cooperation-evolve-limited-pay... ) Chemical clocks can get a bit crazier-- there can be much randomness, but the number of equivalent ahem pathways can be few. https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2015/cp/c5cp02572a https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2015/cp/c5cp0...
        2y ago
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  On a Blindsight tangent, that's exactly what "techniques will occur when a void is found" was about: the passive is on purpose, encoding the philosophical zombieism of martial zen. The conscious mind is useful (like s/w for resolving a TLB miss) for calculating useful things to have in the cache, but in an antagonistic situation, one needs to have a high percentage of h/w-served hits. If one consciously decides to employ a technique, one will certainly not surprise oneself, and one will probably not (unless one's heart is very spherical indeed?) surprise an opponent who is practicing the 3rd of the "3 pwns"*. (indeed, I find the evolutionary just-so for consciousness to arise from the 3rd pwn: once one has the grey matter in place to model others, modelling oneself would be a natural side effect) * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39898001 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39898001
  - vinnyvichy 2y ago
    You shoved everything into the utility functional (god of the spectral gap)). How should one incorporate theories of mind (to all orders) into the ゆ[ ]? (Or 幽[ ]*) With the aforementioned quiver varieties? *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y%C5%ABrei https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y%C5%ABrei Let the holey spirit be formless for the now. (Genesis 1:2≬3) Looking forward to ℞ from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_in_the_Art_of_Archery#Influence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_in_the_Art_of_Archery#Infl...
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      Would that be a physicists/chemists', mathematicians', or psychologists' spectral gap? (or is it a mixed state, not a pure?) Glad to see you've found the unicode necessary for the naughty part of the AMEN combinators: https://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/pgh/arithmetic.lhs https://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/pgh/arithmetic.lhs EDIT: > If we're not in pain, we're not alive I actually saw this non-ironically somewhere (The View From 80 perhaps?) in which it was suggested that, after a certain age, waking up with pain is a positive sign, with the rationale that if some part of your body doesn't hurt, maybe you didn't really wake up after all...
      - 2y ago
082349872349872 2y ago
Maths is just unreasonably effective shamanism: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39220159 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39220159 The 童乩 is interesting because there, like in vodoun (or the Iliad!), the spirit world is the high impedance side: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou#:~:text=to%20invite%20a,of%20the%20worshippers%2C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou#:~:text=to%20inv... I wonder to what degree southern US charismatic christianity owes its peculiarities (glossolalia, etc.) to proximity to whatever practices predated vodoun? [When I was young, we were supposed to "leave room for the Holy Spirit" at dances. That Holy Spirit sure got around, because even on the other side of The Wall, the godless commie young pioneers were supposed to leave 50cm for it: https://avatars.dzeninfra.ru/get-zen_doc/1866022/pub_63343bd9a8ad0a78d2b5dbcd_63343d03f2080f582f81cb00/scale_1200 https://avatars.dzeninfra.ru/get-zen_doc/1866022/pub_63343bd... ]
- vinnyvichy 2y ago
  (Not) according to my undergrad advisor, quite the mathematical physicist, "Shut up or shamanate!" (Not)https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/article/57/5/10/412592/Could-Feynman-Have-Said-This https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/article/57/5/10/412592/Cou... Also, the Russian version of glossolalia, if it existed/exists in Russian-America, would be interesting/also-relevant, weren't they a minor splinter of the great Schism/some spending a lot of time east of the Urals? http://www.russianaz.org/molokane/people/Samarin_William_John/ http://www.russianaz.org/molokane/people/Samarin_William_Joh... This one seems to have a more southern origin Back to scheduled (II?) glossolalia
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    > Theoretical physics is done by physicists who lack the necessary skills to do real experiments; mathematical physics is done by mathematicians who lack the necessary skills to do real mathematics. I owe my switch from being a "systems" informatician to a "theory" informatician exactly to a mathematical physicist, so I'm glad there are some people who don't find it too much of a burden to work with the mathematically immature: https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/M/bo4158035.html https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/M/bo415803... (I'm guessing the "Algebra of Observables" is why JvN seems sometimes to crop up under every other stone I turn in semigroups?) Russians also invent putting flow over beat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ppG_G2s9g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ppG_G2s9g (Have I mentioned I'm very disappointed that «Иван Васильевич меняет профессию» hides exactly how Ivan Grozny crosses himself; how are we supposed to decide if he's an Old Believer or not? I also still have to watch that «Ku» «Kyu» one sometime...)

vinnyvichy 2y ago

https://languagehat.com/kolmogorov/ https://languagehat.com/kolmogorov/ For the folklorists, the comments-readers, the invertebrate meme-chasers >If we're not in pain, we're not alive https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm

BalinKing 2y ago
Maybe I'm totally lost, but this thread of self-replies makes me suspect a Markov chain generated them or something like that. The same is true for some—but not all—of your other comments, which feels really weird to me. Of course, maybe I'm way off base, and what you're saying makes total sense and is just going over my head. I wonder if dang (or another mod) has already seen this....
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  I suspect vinnyvichy may have been "conversing with gods and ghosts" ... but until I manage to translate that page I shan't be sure :-)
  - vinnyvichy 2y ago
    Indeed I would have most preferred "spirits & spectres" because that one has a neutral connotation in Chinese. The referent of your 三殺法, "kill the buddha-spirit, kill your demised-forebears"《临济录》(written back when Taoism had not been fully differentiated from Buddhism) was way more suicidal in ideation.. The heart of kenshin (or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiyuki_(manga) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiyuki_(manga)): https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/32380940?utm_id=0 https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/32380940?utm_id=0 https://academic.oup.com/book/38937/chapter-abstract/338123182?redirectedFrom=fulltext https://academic.oup.com/book/38937/chapter-abstract/3381231...
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      What are the various connotations of gods, ghosts, spirits, and spectres in Chinese? (Continue the series: 天大人小 ??) Come to think of it, "God is Dead" is true for both christians and Nietzsche's madman: as Gautama's charioteer explains, living things are subject to age, disease, and death; the christian god is subject to none of these, therefore He –not being quick— is dead.
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
      - vinnyvichy 2y ago
        what would JZY say? Here, it is explained that “神“ would be used in a posthumous title out of politeness... (JZY wrote down Px for that) https://view.inews.qq.com/k/20231216A08KQ700?no-redirect=1&web_channel=wap&openApp=false https://view.inews.qq.com/k/20231216A08KQ700?no-redirect=1&w...
- vinnyvichy 2y ago
  Let me prove that I am your curtness-challenged Dwalin :)
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    dwarves delve into discourses by the length of their beards not the height of their heads
- bradrn 2y ago
  I’ve also noticed this with vinnyvichy and 082349872349872 (who mostly seem to respond to each other). Probably it should be reported to dang if it hasn’t been already. (The first time I saw it, I wondered if I was going insane, because the conversations seemed unrelated to the topic and nonsensical in themselves… good to know there’s nothing I’m missing!)
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    It's a bit like an abacus: the motion of beads on each individual rod may not seem to make much sense, but there is a meaning to the calculation taken as a whole. (Hmm: presentation does a great deal for providing meaning; imagine a "write-only" tetris game where instead of presenting the current state of the playfield, completed rows stayed on the display and dropped pieces stretched through them to incomplete rows. I think that'd be much more difficult than the traditional view) Lagniappe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40714981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40714981 (Sorry for interrupting your regular HN? Maybe we ought to bump up the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_(CDMA)#:~:text=The%20chip%20rate%20of%20a,is%20transmitted%20(or%20received) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_(CDMA)#:~:text=The%20chip.... rate and attempt to dive beneath the noise floor again?)
    - vinnyvichy 2y ago
      So your bufferbloat curve comment refers to how congestion doesn't depend linearly on symbol rate, e.g https://superuser.com/questions/1324956/is-bufferbloat-triggered-on-a-certain-speed https://superuser.com/questions/1324956/is-bufferbloat-trigg...? Or is there more to it (like hidden Shannon assumptions not priced in with the chiprate e.g https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30130091 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30130091 https://phys.org/news/2024-06-cooperation-evolve-limited-payoff-memory.html https://phys.org/news/2024-06-cooperation-evolve-limited-pay... ) Chemical clocks can get a bit crazier-- there can be much randomness, but the number of equivalent ahem pathways can be few. https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2015/cp/c5cp02572a https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2015/cp/c5cp0...
      - 2y ago
082349872349872 2y ago
On a Blindsight tangent, that's exactly what "techniques will occur when a void is found" was about: the passive is on purpose, encoding the philosophical zombieism of martial zen. The conscious mind is useful (like s/w for resolving a TLB miss) for calculating useful things to have in the cache, but in an antagonistic situation, one needs to have a high percentage of h/w-served hits. If one consciously decides to employ a technique, one will certainly not surprise oneself, and one will probably not (unless one's heart is very spherical indeed?) surprise an opponent who is practicing the 3rd of the "3 pwns"*. (indeed, I find the evolutionary just-so for consciousness to arise from the 3rd pwn: once one has the grey matter in place to model others, modelling oneself would be a natural side effect) * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39898001 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39898001
- vinnyvichy 2y ago
  You shoved everything into the utility functional (god of the spectral gap)). How should one incorporate theories of mind (to all orders) into the ゆ[ ]? (Or 幽[ ]*) With the aforementioned quiver varieties? *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y%C5%ABrei https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y%C5%ABrei Let the holey spirit be formless for the now. (Genesis 1:2≬3) Looking forward to ℞ from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_in_the_Art_of_Archery#Influence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_in_the_Art_of_Archery#Infl...
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    Would that be a physicists/chemists', mathematicians', or psychologists' spectral gap? (or is it a mixed state, not a pure?) Glad to see you've found the unicode necessary for the naughty part of the AMEN combinators: https://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/pgh/arithmetic.lhs https://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/pgh/arithmetic.lhs EDIT: > If we're not in pain, we're not alive I actually saw this non-ironically somewhere (The View From 80 perhaps?) in which it was suggested that, after a certain age, waking up with pain is a positive sign, with the rationale that if some part of your body doesn't hurt, maybe you didn't really wake up after all...
    - 2y ago

082349872349872 2y ago

Maths is just unreasonably effective shamanism: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39220159 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39220159 The 童乩 is interesting because there, like in vodoun (or the Iliad!), the spirit world is the high impedance side: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou#:~:text=to%20invite%20a,of%20the%20worshippers%2C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou#:~:text=to%20inv... I wonder to what degree southern US charismatic christianity owes its peculiarities (glossolalia, etc.) to proximity to whatever practices predated vodoun? [When I was young, we were supposed to "leave room for the Holy Spirit" at dances. That Holy Spirit sure got around, because even on the other side of The Wall, the godless commie young pioneers were supposed to leave 50cm for it: https://avatars.dzeninfra.ru/get-zen_doc/1866022/pub_63343bd9a8ad0a78d2b5dbcd_63343d03f2080f582f81cb00/scale_1200 https://avatars.dzeninfra.ru/get-zen_doc/1866022/pub_63343bd... ]

vinnyvichy 2y ago
(Not) according to my undergrad advisor, quite the mathematical physicist, "Shut up or shamanate!" (Not)https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/article/57/5/10/412592/Could-Feynman-Have-Said-This https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/article/57/5/10/412592/Cou... Also, the Russian version of glossolalia, if it existed/exists in Russian-America, would be interesting/also-relevant, weren't they a minor splinter of the great Schism/some spending a lot of time east of the Urals? http://www.russianaz.org/molokane/people/Samarin_William_John/ http://www.russianaz.org/molokane/people/Samarin_William_Joh... This one seems to have a more southern origin Back to scheduled (II?) glossolalia
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  > Theoretical physics is done by physicists who lack the necessary skills to do real experiments; mathematical physics is done by mathematicians who lack the necessary skills to do real mathematics. I owe my switch from being a "systems" informatician to a "theory" informatician exactly to a mathematical physicist, so I'm glad there are some people who don't find it too much of a burden to work with the mathematically immature: https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/M/bo4158035.html https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/M/bo415803... (I'm guessing the "Algebra of Observables" is why JvN seems sometimes to crop up under every other stone I turn in semigroups?) Russians also invent putting flow over beat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ppG_G2s9g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ppG_G2s9g (Have I mentioned I'm very disappointed that «Иван Васильевич меняет профессию» hides exactly how Ivan Grozny crosses himself; how are we supposed to decide if he's an Old Believer or not? I also still have to watch that «Ku» «Kyu» one sometime...)