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Btw, the following might come across as a little Borgean.. (Author of your Wikisourced cetacean) https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E4%BD%9A%E5%90%8D/37139#:~:text

Btw, the following might come across as a little Borgean.. (Author of your Wikisourced cetacean) https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E4%BD%9A%E5%90%8D/37139#:~:text=%E4%BD%9A%E5%90%8D%E6%98%AF%E4%B8%80%E4%B8%AA%E6%B1%89%E8%AF%AD%E8%AF%8D%E8%AF%AD,%E6%84%BF%E9%80%8F%E6%BC%8F%E5%A7%93%E5%90%8D%E7%9A%84%E4%BA%BA%E3%80%82 https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E4%BD%9A%E5%90%8D/37139#:~:tex... (Not a Name) 与鬼神通 "Converse with gods and spectres" https://www.feirao.com/chengyu/32963S.html https://www.feirao.com/chengyu/32963S.html

vinnyvichy 2y ago
My guess is that your cetacean originates from the Sui-Tang under a nihilizing influence of Buddhist rationalizations. "No creation without injury, no injury without creation." (My interpretation, cf the Japanese distillation) https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%89%B5#Japanese https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%89%B5#Japanese Compare with (note element of chance) https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/incido https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/incido More relevant to thread https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/pare https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/pare (Vs https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/par#Latin https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/par#Latin)
- vinnyvichy 2y ago
  https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0... Note the gender, as well as the Korean Mudang,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_shamanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_shamanism Chinese tongji (manifestly not gendered) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongji_(spirit_medium) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongji_(spirit_medium) (& Old nordic seiðkona apophenically Proto-tungusic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism#Terminology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism#Terminology
  - vinnyvichy 2y ago
    https://languagehat.com/kolmogorov/ https://languagehat.com/kolmogorov/ For the folklorists, the comments-readers, the invertebrate meme-chasers >If we're not in pain, we're not alive https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm
    - BalinKing 2y ago
      Maybe I'm totally lost, but this thread of self-replies makes me suspect a Markov chain generated them or something like that. The same is true for some—but not all—of your other comments, which feels really weird to me. Of course, maybe I'm way off base, and what you're saying makes total sense and is just going over my head. I wonder if dang (or another mod) has already seen this....
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        I suspect vinnyvichy may have been "conversing with gods and ghosts" ... but until I manage to translate that page I shan't be sure :-)
        vinnyvichy 2y ago
        Indeed I would have most preferred "spirits & spectres" because that one has a neutral connotation in Chinese. The referent of your 三殺法, "kill the buddha-spirit, kill your demised-forebears"《临济录》(written back when Taoism had not been fully differentiated from Buddhism) was way more suicidal in ideation.. The heart of kenshin (or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiyuki_(manga) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiyuki_(manga)): https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/32380940?utm_id=0 https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/32380940?utm_id=0 https://academic.oup.com/book/38937/chapter-abstract/338123182?redirectedFrom=fulltext https://academic.oup.com/book/38937/chapter-abstract/3381231...
        082349872349872 2y ago
        What are the various connotations of gods, ghosts, spirits, and spectres in Chinese? (Continue the series: 天大人小 ??) Come to think of it, "God is Dead" is true for both christians and Nietzsche's madman: as Gautama's charioteer explains, living things are subject to age, disease, and death; the christian god is subject to none of these, therefore He –not being quick— is dead.
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  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    Maths is just unreasonably effective shamanism: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39220159 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39220159 The 童乩 is interesting because there, like in vodoun (or the Iliad!), the spirit world is the high impedance side: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou#:~:text=to%20invite%20a,of%20the%20worshippers%2C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou#:~:text=to%20inv... I wonder to what degree southern US charismatic christianity owes its peculiarities (glossolalia, etc.) to proximity to whatever practices predated vodoun? [When I was young, we were supposed to "leave room for the Holy Spirit" at dances. That Holy Spirit sure got around, because even on the other side of The Wall, the godless commie young pioneers were supposed to leave 50cm for it: https://avatars.dzeninfra.ru/get-zen_doc/1866022/pub_63343bd9a8ad0a78d2b5dbcd_63343d03f2080f582f81cb00/scale_1200 https://avatars.dzeninfra.ru/get-zen_doc/1866022/pub_63343bd... ]
    - vinnyvichy 2y ago
      (Not) according to my undergrad advisor, quite the mathematical physicist, "Shut up or shamanate!" (Not)https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/article/57/5/10/412592/Could-Feynman-Have-Said-This https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/article/57/5/10/412592/Cou... Also, the Russian version of glossolalia, if it existed/exists in Russian-America, would be interesting/also-relevant, weren't they a minor splinter of the great Schism/some spending a lot of time east of the Urals? http://www.russianaz.org/molokane/people/Samarin_William_John/ http://www.russianaz.org/molokane/people/Samarin_William_Joh... This one seems to have a more southern origin Back to scheduled (II?) glossolalia
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        > Theoretical physics is done by physicists who lack the necessary skills to do real experiments; mathematical physics is done by mathematicians who lack the necessary skills to do real mathematics. I owe my switch from being a "systems" informatician to a "theory" informatician exactly to a mathematical physicist, so I'm glad there are some people who don't find it too much of a burden to work with the mathematically immature: https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/M/bo4158035.html https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/M/bo415803... (I'm guessing the "Algebra of Observables" is why JvN seems sometimes to crop up under every other stone I turn in semigroups?) Russians also invent putting flow over beat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ppG_G2s9g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ppG_G2s9g (Have I mentioned I'm very disappointed that «Иван Васильевич меняет профессию» hides exactly how Ivan Grozny crosses himself; how are we supposed to decide if he's an Old Believer or not? I also still have to watch that «Ku» «Kyu» one sometime...)

vinnyvichy 2y ago

My guess is that your cetacean originates from the Sui-Tang under a nihilizing influence of Buddhist rationalizations. "No creation without injury, no injury without creation." (My interpretation, cf the Japanese distillation) https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%89%B5#Japanese https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%89%B5#Japanese Compare with (note element of chance) https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/incido https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/incido More relevant to thread https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/pare https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/pare (Vs https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/par#Latin https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/par#Latin)

vinnyvichy 2y ago
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0... Note the gender, as well as the Korean Mudang,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_shamanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_shamanism Chinese tongji (manifestly not gendered) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongji_(spirit_medium) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongji_(spirit_medium) (& Old nordic seiðkona apophenically Proto-tungusic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism#Terminology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism#Terminology
- vinnyvichy 2y ago
  https://languagehat.com/kolmogorov/ https://languagehat.com/kolmogorov/ For the folklorists, the comments-readers, the invertebrate meme-chasers >If we're not in pain, we're not alive https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm
  - BalinKing 2y ago
    Maybe I'm totally lost, but this thread of self-replies makes me suspect a Markov chain generated them or something like that. The same is true for some—but not all—of your other comments, which feels really weird to me. Of course, maybe I'm way off base, and what you're saying makes total sense and is just going over my head. I wonder if dang (or another mod) has already seen this....
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      I suspect vinnyvichy may have been "conversing with gods and ghosts" ... but until I manage to translate that page I shan't be sure :-)
      - vinnyvichy 2y ago
        Indeed I would have most preferred "spirits & spectres" because that one has a neutral connotation in Chinese. The referent of your 三殺法, "kill the buddha-spirit, kill your demised-forebears"《临济录》(written back when Taoism had not been fully differentiated from Buddhism) was way more suicidal in ideation.. The heart of kenshin (or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiyuki_(manga) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiyuki_(manga)): https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/32380940?utm_id=0 https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/32380940?utm_id=0 https://academic.oup.com/book/38937/chapter-abstract/338123182?redirectedFrom=fulltext https://academic.oup.com/book/38937/chapter-abstract/3381231...
        082349872349872 2y ago
        What are the various connotations of gods, ghosts, spirits, and spectres in Chinese? (Continue the series: 天大人小 ??) Come to think of it, "God is Dead" is true for both christians and Nietzsche's madman: as Gautama's charioteer explains, living things are subject to age, disease, and death; the christian god is subject to none of these, therefore He –not being quick— is dead.
        deleted 2y ago
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  Maths is just unreasonably effective shamanism: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39220159 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39220159 The 童乩 is interesting because there, like in vodoun (or the Iliad!), the spirit world is the high impedance side: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou#:~:text=to%20invite%20a,of%20the%20worshippers%2C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou#:~:text=to%20inv... I wonder to what degree southern US charismatic christianity owes its peculiarities (glossolalia, etc.) to proximity to whatever practices predated vodoun? [When I was young, we were supposed to "leave room for the Holy Spirit" at dances. That Holy Spirit sure got around, because even on the other side of The Wall, the godless commie young pioneers were supposed to leave 50cm for it: https://avatars.dzeninfra.ru/get-zen_doc/1866022/pub_63343bd9a8ad0a78d2b5dbcd_63343d03f2080f582f81cb00/scale_1200 https://avatars.dzeninfra.ru/get-zen_doc/1866022/pub_63343bd... ]
  - vinnyvichy 2y ago
    (Not) according to my undergrad advisor, quite the mathematical physicist, "Shut up or shamanate!" (Not)https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/article/57/5/10/412592/Could-Feynman-Have-Said-This https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/article/57/5/10/412592/Cou... Also, the Russian version of glossolalia, if it existed/exists in Russian-America, would be interesting/also-relevant, weren't they a minor splinter of the great Schism/some spending a lot of time east of the Urals? http://www.russianaz.org/molokane/people/Samarin_William_John/ http://www.russianaz.org/molokane/people/Samarin_William_Joh... This one seems to have a more southern origin Back to scheduled (II?) glossolalia
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      > Theoretical physics is done by physicists who lack the necessary skills to do real experiments; mathematical physics is done by mathematicians who lack the necessary skills to do real mathematics. I owe my switch from being a "systems" informatician to a "theory" informatician exactly to a mathematical physicist, so I'm glad there are some people who don't find it too much of a burden to work with the mathematically immature: https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/M/bo4158035.html https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/M/bo415803... (I'm guessing the "Algebra of Observables" is why JvN seems sometimes to crop up under every other stone I turn in semigroups?) Russians also invent putting flow over beat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ppG_G2s9g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ppG_G2s9g (Have I mentioned I'm very disappointed that «Иван Васильевич меняет профессию» hides exactly how Ivan Grozny crosses himself; how are we supposed to decide if he's an Old Believer or not? I also still have to watch that «Ku» «Kyu» one sometime...)