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I think it's also important not to underestimate how chilling of an effect Apple's locked down environment is having here. Like the iPad, it's such a developer

I think it's also important not to underestimate how chilling of an effect Apple's locked down environment is having here. Like the iPad, it's such a developer-hostile system to work in many devs aren't willing to take the risk of risking time and money in an ecosystem where Apple can sherlock you or just refuse your updates for any arbitrary reason and where users have been taught that software should be disposably cheap.

afavour 2y ago
I’d throw a [citation needed] on that. The App Store has, by all accounts, been a runaway success despite all the limitations you’ve listed. By and large devs are very happy to make apps within this system.
- cageface 2y ago
  There are very few of the big productivity apps that would justify the expense of the Vision Pro. Every review of the new iPad basically takes the same line. Fantastic hardware, pity about the limited OS and lack of apps.
- talldayo 2y ago
  > The App Store has, by all accounts, been a runaway success Except on the only platform that doesn't enforce it as the sole app store, MacOS. Holy cow, can you imagine trying to set up your Mac with only the App Store for installing software? How many people could do their day-to-day job, like that? Extrapolating from MacOS it really feels the other way around. On iPadOS in particular it's become a running joke how hard Apple arbitrarily tries to stop you from using their tablet computer hardware like a laptop.
  - wilsonnb3 2y ago
    > Holy cow, can you imagine trying to set up your Mac with only the App Store for installing software? How many people could do their day-to-day job, like that? Probably quite a lot, microsoft office is available in the app store and that plus safari is all a lot of people need.
aurareturn 2y ago
The App Store has made a lot of developers a lot of money. There are tons of billion dollar gaming companies for example. One viral game on the app store with a few cosmetic upgrades can net you a billion dollars.
- cageface 2y ago
  Most of that is games or mobile apps with limited scope. If Apple wants the Vision Pro to replace our Macs it needs a different approach. One look at the wasteland that is the Mac app store tells you everything you need to know.

afavour 2y ago

I’d throw a [citation needed] on that. The App Store has, by all accounts, been a runaway success despite all the limitations you’ve listed. By and large devs are very happy to make apps within this system.

cageface 2y ago
There are very few of the big productivity apps that would justify the expense of the Vision Pro. Every review of the new iPad basically takes the same line. Fantastic hardware, pity about the limited OS and lack of apps.
talldayo 2y ago
> The App Store has, by all accounts, been a runaway success Except on the only platform that doesn't enforce it as the sole app store, MacOS. Holy cow, can you imagine trying to set up your Mac with only the App Store for installing software? How many people could do their day-to-day job, like that? Extrapolating from MacOS it really feels the other way around. On iPadOS in particular it's become a running joke how hard Apple arbitrarily tries to stop you from using their tablet computer hardware like a laptop.
- wilsonnb3 2y ago
  > Holy cow, can you imagine trying to set up your Mac with only the App Store for installing software? How many people could do their day-to-day job, like that? Probably quite a lot, microsoft office is available in the app store and that plus safari is all a lot of people need.

aurareturn 2y ago

The App Store has made a lot of developers a lot of money. There are tons of billion dollar gaming companies for example. One viral game on the app store with a few cosmetic upgrades can net you a billion dollars.

cageface 2y ago
Most of that is games or mobile apps with limited scope. If Apple wants the Vision Pro to replace our Macs it needs a different approach. One look at the wasteland that is the Mac app store tells you everything you need to know.