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Did you even read the link? I'm sorry, but I can't imagine a worse time to invoke the editor wars. Shame on you. Look, I love my editor just as much as the n

Did you even read the link? I'm sorry, but I can't imagine a worse time to invoke the editor wars. Shame on you. Look, I love my editor just as much as the next guy. I have tremendous respect for emacs, and you can take vim from my cold, dead hands (and no, I will not start those wars now, either). But a beginner has far too much trouble just getting shit fucking installed and working consistently. Case in point: the reason why a menagerie of tools and scripts for setting up programming environments make the front page of HN every week is because it's a total schlep to try and get your environment set up. And this is an audience of experts. That 30 second fabric deploy script is literally the most convenient that process will be for anyone, ever. A beginner might have a hard enough of a time touch typing. I think Zed's entire point is to dissuade beginners to listen to people who are proselytizing as you are now. Let the beginner find emacs when they're ready. Trying to move them into that habit up front might be beyond the opportunity cost of programming for that individual. And then a community which is attacked left and right by ignorant people in power trying to legislate it away will have have lost an ally do to pithy zealotry. Any amount of editor or environment advocacy on your part is really just injuring the signal to noise ratio.

heretohelp 14y ago
Even explaining why C-s searches instead of saving in Emacs is an immense roadblock for new users. The guy you're responding to is suffering from this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_knowledge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_knowledge Not everybody that writes code needs to be using Emacs or vim. Just the same, not every 6 year old kid learning to play violin needs a Stradivarius. I've been using Emacs for counts in head 13 years, almost 14 now. I've also spent many years teaching new people to use it and I can tell you right now, most people not willing to dedicate some time independent of anything else to just learning Emacs will get any value out of it. Don't distract them from learning to code. End of story.

heretohelp 14y ago

Even explaining why C-s searches instead of saving in Emacs is an immense roadblock for new users. The guy you're responding to is suffering from this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_knowledge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_knowledge Not everybody that writes code needs to be using Emacs or vim. Just the same, not every 6 year old kid learning to play violin needs a Stradivarius. I've been using Emacs for counts in head 13 years, almost 14 now. I've also spent many years teaching new people to use it and I can tell you right now, most people not willing to dedicate some time independent of anything else to just learning Emacs will get any value out of it. Don't distract them from learning to code. End of story.