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Whatever I feel about Malaysia aside, it is not hard to take this position if you are watching events from the third world aka the global south aka the non alig

by kaycey2022 2y ago

Whatever I feel about Malaysia aside, it is not hard to take this position if you are watching events from the third world aka the global south aka the non aligned bloc or whatever you want to call it. The fact that most of us were colonised by Europeans at some point of time or other doesn’t help either.

c_o_n_v_e_x 2y ago
Malaysia and other SE Asian countries were "colonized" by Chinese diaspora, whom control most of the wealth in their countries. Hard work is most definitely one component of their success. How about their insularity and doing business mostly amongst themselves? Try breaking into those social and business circles as a non Chinese. Alas, we don't hear that narrative because it's only bad when Europeans do it.
- yongjik 2y ago
  Now try the same argument on Jewish merchants in 30s Europe and see how that sounds.
  - c_o_n_v_e_x 2y ago
    Nice deflection. Perhaps you'd like to address which points you feel are incorrect?
  - chipdart 2y ago
    > Now try the same argument on Jewish merchants in 30s Europe and see how that sounds. OP was clearly and unambiguously pointing out the problem with colonialism. If you think that colonialism is bad exclusively because of racism then you aren't really thinking things through. I mean,listen to yourself: do you think that the complains pinned on "Jewish merchants in 30s europe" was not being able to do trade with them?
    - yongjik 2y ago
      I'm not exactly sure how OP expressed any problem with "colonialism", when China never colonized Malaysia and Chinese diaspora in SE Asia happened long before China started to show its own imperialistic ambition. It sounds more like good old-fashioned xenophobia to me, similar to the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2.
      - chipdart 2y ago
        > I'm not exactly sure how OP expressed any problem with "colonialism" (...) To be exactly sure you only need to read OP's post. > (...) when China never colonized (...) Read OP's post.

c_o_n_v_e_x 2y ago

Malaysia and other SE Asian countries were "colonized" by Chinese diaspora, whom control most of the wealth in their countries. Hard work is most definitely one component of their success. How about their insularity and doing business mostly amongst themselves? Try breaking into those social and business circles as a non Chinese. Alas, we don't hear that narrative because it's only bad when Europeans do it.

yongjik 2y ago
Now try the same argument on Jewish merchants in 30s Europe and see how that sounds.
- c_o_n_v_e_x 2y ago
  Nice deflection. Perhaps you'd like to address which points you feel are incorrect?
- chipdart 2y ago
  > Now try the same argument on Jewish merchants in 30s Europe and see how that sounds. OP was clearly and unambiguously pointing out the problem with colonialism. If you think that colonialism is bad exclusively because of racism then you aren't really thinking things through. I mean,listen to yourself: do you think that the complains pinned on "Jewish merchants in 30s europe" was not being able to do trade with them?
  - yongjik 2y ago
    I'm not exactly sure how OP expressed any problem with "colonialism", when China never colonized Malaysia and Chinese diaspora in SE Asia happened long before China started to show its own imperialistic ambition. It sounds more like good old-fashioned xenophobia to me, similar to the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2.
    - chipdart 2y ago
      > I'm not exactly sure how OP expressed any problem with "colonialism" (...) To be exactly sure you only need to read OP's post. > (...) when China never colonized (...) Read OP's post.