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I'm only one data point, but: I used to pirate (all of my) music. I have bought a grand total of one CD ever. Now I happily consume most of my music through a

by burke 14y ago

I'm only one data point, but: I used to pirate (all of my) music. I have bought a grand total of one CD ever. Now I happily consume most of my music through a paid subscription to Rdio. Similarly, I pay for netflix. I (grudgingly) go to theatres occasionally. I don't own and have no desire to own a dvd player, and pirate movies occasionally when they're not conveniently available. Similarly, I pirate Game of Thrones, but would happily pay up to $5 per episode if it were an option. I will not buy the DVDs, as I have no desire to see it again. If I could buy the DVDs at the same time as the show airs (without getting off my couch), I would happily do so. It is quite literally all about convenience for some people.

falling 14y ago
I also pay an Rdio subscription and enjoy it, but I still buy the records I find myself listening more often. My reason is simply this: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/ http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music...
- mseebach 14y ago
  While Rdio and Spotify has some wrinkles to iron out, that chart is simply lying with pretty colours. Full album != single track != single play.
  - falling 14y ago
    do you have better sources? it seems simple math to me. I have also seen a few articles from artists (not record companies) that say the same thing. if you have proof of the contrary it would make me feel better.
- cgmorton 14y ago
  Okay lets do some simple math on this. If I buy a song off iTunes, the artist gets $.09 Every time I listen to it on Rhapsody, they get $.0022 Some quick division: .09/.0022 = ~41 What this means is that, if I've listened to a song less than 40 times, the artist makes more if I buy it off iTunes. But once I've listened to it 41 times or more, the artist is making more profit if all those listens were on Rhapsody. Now I don't know about you, but when it comes to songs I like I listen to them a hell of a lot more than 40 times. You say you buy the records you find yourself listening to more often? Then you are taking money out of the artists' pockets, because every 40 listens through the album on Rhapsody is equivalent to buying the album anew on iTunes. To make it even more lopsided, consider just how many times more you would listen to those songs throughout your lifetime. Buy the CD once, and the artist will never see another cent from you, whereas the streaming services continue to pay them, forever.
  - falling 14y ago
    Despite the irritating and condescending tone, that’s a good argument.
scott_s 14y ago
How about $3 an episode? http://www.amazon.com/Winter-Is-Coming/dp/B007HJ84ZK/ http://www.amazon.com/Winter-Is-Coming/dp/B007HJ84ZK/
- pretz 14y ago
 Key phrase in OP: "at the same time as the show airs"
 - waterlesscloud 14y ago
 Strangely, I find I'm capable of waiting a few months.
 - riya123 14y ago
 To: Microsoft Windows 8/RT Development Team Please have a read of the thread I have started on Microsoft Answers: <a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-networking/windows-rt-arm-edition-why-is-there-no/652435d4-b71f-40bb-af1b-8267b911fd97>answers.microsoft.com/.../652435d4-b71f-40bb-af1b-8267b911fd97</a></p&#62 http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-n...; Can you please explain to me why Windows 8  RT will be lacking key features in comparison to Windows 8 and Windows 8 Professional? Refer to this link: <a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/297262,three-editions-of-windows-8-announced.aspx>www.pcauthority.com.au/.../297262,three-editions-of-windows-8-announced.aspx</a></p&#62 http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/297262,three-editions-of-...; I have looked at press releases of the new features and I  am not impressed as there is no corporate/advanced edition of the future Windows RT bieng planned by the look of it. For example from what I can see: -  There is no Windows Media Player in sight. -  There are no abilities to connect to corporate network domains -  The Remote Desktop Feature (hosting) is not available. -  From the feature list it looks like these devices advanced settings are locked down (security policies, advanced file sharing etc) homegroups   and simple file sharing in the corporate environment is a security risk. -  Will there be a integrated firewall on this future RT edition? Why aren't these important features bieng included on the ARM edition? Why isn't there going to be a Windows RT Pro Edition to connect to a corporate network? Please explain Regards, J876_1 <div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://windowsteamblog.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=581910 http://windowsteamblog.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=581910 width="1" height="1">
etherealHN 14y ago
I still pirate all of my music, but I give money to and promote artists that I listen to. Rdio, Spotify, and other 'legal' solutions give pathetic amounts of money to the artist. I'd rather have a copy of the music in whatever format I want, on whatever device I want, played with whatever software I want, and spend a little extra time figuring out how to compensate the artist fairly for their contribution to my human happiness.
- Atrus6 14y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4074288 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4074288 Your logic works if you only are going to listen to a song a few times, but after a certain threshold, the artist would receive more money than from a CD or iTunes purchase.
peeters 14y ago
> Similarly, I pirate Game of Thrones, but would happily pay up to $5 per episode if it were an option. I will not buy the DVDs, as I have no desire to see it again. If I could buy the DVDs at the same time as the show airs (without getting off my couch), I would happily do so. How about when you pirate the episode, you put the $5 aside, and when it's released on DVD, buy the DVDs, regardless of whether you want to watch it again? This has essentially the same result as buying the DVD "at the same time as the show airs". This is what I have done with shows that are cable-exclusive. And as a perk, I end up with the DVDs.
- egypturnash 14y ago
  Having stuff you don't want cluttering up your life is a perk?
  - AjithAntony 14y ago
    Then donate the discs to someone who likes to collect physical media.
    - stevetursi 14y ago
      Assuming the pirate bought the disc as a penance/feelgood/whatever for downloading the media, this totally negates that whole motivation. To the studio/network, two people got to see the content for the price of one. Ironically, the giftee becomes the beneficiary of the piracy, but with none of the risk. And the pirate, who assumed all the risk, was the person who paid for it.
- icebraining 14y ago
  Therefore promoting the DVD business instead of incentively them to move to digital distribution. This is why we can't have nice things.
mratzloff 14y ago
Ultimately, the best solution for audiences and companies is to simulcast the episode on TV and online. If you're a paid subscriber you can watch it for no additional charge; otherwise, the cost is $3 (or whatever).

by burke 14y ago

falling 14y ago

I also pay an Rdio subscription and enjoy it, but I still buy the records I find myself listening more often. My reason is simply this: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/ http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music...

mseebach 14y ago
While Rdio and Spotify has some wrinkles to iron out, that chart is simply lying with pretty colours. Full album != single track != single play.
- falling 14y ago
  do you have better sources? it seems simple math to me. I have also seen a few articles from artists (not record companies) that say the same thing. if you have proof of the contrary it would make me feel better.
cgmorton 14y ago
Okay lets do some simple math on this. If I buy a song off iTunes, the artist gets $.09 Every time I listen to it on Rhapsody, they get $.0022 Some quick division: .09/.0022 = ~41 What this means is that, if I've listened to a song less than 40 times, the artist makes more if I buy it off iTunes. But once I've listened to it 41 times or more, the artist is making more profit if all those listens were on Rhapsody. Now I don't know about you, but when it comes to songs I like I listen to them a hell of a lot more than 40 times. You say you buy the records you find yourself listening to more often? Then you are taking money out of the artists' pockets, because every 40 listens through the album on Rhapsody is equivalent to buying the album anew on iTunes. To make it even more lopsided, consider just how many times more you would listen to those songs throughout your lifetime. Buy the CD once, and the artist will never see another cent from you, whereas the streaming services continue to pay them, forever.
- falling 14y ago
  Despite the irritating and condescending tone, that’s a good argument.

scott_s 14y ago

How about $3 an episode? http://www.amazon.com/Winter-Is-Coming/dp/B007HJ84ZK/ http://www.amazon.com/Winter-Is-Coming/dp/B007HJ84ZK/

pretz 14y ago
Key phrase in OP: "at the same time as the show airs"
- waterlesscloud 14y ago
 Strangely, I find I'm capable of waiting a few months.
 - riya123 14y ago
 To: Microsoft Windows 8/RT Development Team Please have a read of the thread I have started on Microsoft Answers: <a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-networking/windows-rt-arm-edition-why-is-there-no/652435d4-b71f-40bb-af1b-8267b911fd97>answers.microsoft.com/.../652435d4-b71f-40bb-af1b-8267b911fd97</a></p&#62 http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-n...; Can you please explain to me why Windows 8  RT will be lacking key features in comparison to Windows 8 and Windows 8 Professional? Refer to this link: <a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/297262,three-editions-of-windows-8-announced.aspx>www.pcauthority.com.au/.../297262,three-editions-of-windows-8-announced.aspx</a></p&#62 http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/297262,three-editions-of-...; I have looked at press releases of the new features and I  am not impressed as there is no corporate/advanced edition of the future Windows RT bieng planned by the look of it. For example from what I can see: -  There is no Windows Media Player in sight. -  There are no abilities to connect to corporate network domains -  The Remote Desktop Feature (hosting) is not available. -  From the feature list it looks like these devices advanced settings are locked down (security policies, advanced file sharing etc) homegroups   and simple file sharing in the corporate environment is a security risk. -  Will there be a integrated firewall on this future RT edition? Why aren't these important features bieng included on the ARM edition? Why isn't there going to be a Windows RT Pro Edition to connect to a corporate network? Please explain Regards, J876_1 <div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://windowsteamblog.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=581910 http://windowsteamblog.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=581910 width="1" height="1">

etherealHN 14y ago

I still pirate all of my music, but I give money to and promote artists that I listen to. Rdio, Spotify, and other 'legal' solutions give pathetic amounts of money to the artist. I'd rather have a copy of the music in whatever format I want, on whatever device I want, played with whatever software I want, and spend a little extra time figuring out how to compensate the artist fairly for their contribution to my human happiness.

Atrus6 14y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4074288 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4074288 Your logic works if you only are going to listen to a song a few times, but after a certain threshold, the artist would receive more money than from a CD or iTunes purchase.

peeters 14y ago

> Similarly, I pirate Game of Thrones, but would happily pay up to $5 per episode if it were an option. I will not buy the DVDs, as I have no desire to see it again. If I could buy the DVDs at the same time as the show airs (without getting off my couch), I would happily do so. How about when you pirate the episode, you put the $5 aside, and when it's released on DVD, buy the DVDs, regardless of whether you want to watch it again? This has essentially the same result as buying the DVD "at the same time as the show airs". This is what I have done with shows that are cable-exclusive. And as a perk, I end up with the DVDs.

egypturnash 14y ago
Having stuff you don't want cluttering up your life is a perk?
- AjithAntony 14y ago
  Then donate the discs to someone who likes to collect physical media.
  - stevetursi 14y ago
    Assuming the pirate bought the disc as a penance/feelgood/whatever for downloading the media, this totally negates that whole motivation. To the studio/network, two people got to see the content for the price of one. Ironically, the giftee becomes the beneficiary of the piracy, but with none of the risk. And the pirate, who assumed all the risk, was the person who paid for it.
icebraining 14y ago
Therefore promoting the DVD business instead of incentively them to move to digital distribution. This is why we can't have nice things.

mratzloff 14y ago

Ultimately, the best solution for audiences and companies is to simulcast the episode on TV and online. If you're a paid subscriber you can watch it for no additional charge; otherwise, the cost is $3 (or whatever).