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Aren't almost all advanced economies save South Korea and Japan solving this with immigration. The US, Canada, Australia, and Europe are all doing so. Immigrati

Aren't almost all advanced economies save South Korea and Japan solving this with immigration. The US, Canada, Australia, and Europe are all doing so. Immigration is difficult to impossible in Japan.

alooPotato 2y ago
why?
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Desire to preserve culture and societal norms over economic growth.
  - fred_is_fred 2y ago
    Also utter failure to build any new housing.
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cl42 2y ago
I'm curious how this actually plays out in the long run. Canada is a good example, where the anti-immigration narrative has become much louder very quickly. People get nervous/upset when they see their culture or population visibly changing.
- jimbob45 2y ago
  Immigration is fine but Canada and the US are actively taking steps to dissuade the majority of their population from producing offspring in favor of taking in more immigrants. That's what people are upset over - not that immigration is part of the equation.
  - wing-_-nuts 2y ago
    >Canada and the US are actively taking steps to dissuade the majority of their population from producing offspring Uh, expand?
- kwere 2y ago
  People are angry that their economic systems arent compatible with having families either with current salaries or time committment careers require. Most people (women in primis) find themselves sacrificing basic quality of life to have 1 or 2 children. Government solution to such societal issues is to import workers in mass ("they will pay social security contributions for the elderly") which suppress wages down further increasing the cost-oppurtunity of having children. Replacement theories fit nicely, at least on an economic point of view. Businesses interests get cheap workers on one hand and childless consumers with more disposable income on the other hand. Entire societies dying is just an aftereffect Short-termism of our leaders will lead to a systemic collapse just like in the Soviet Union.
tuatoru 2y ago
"Solving" rather than solving. It's an IV drip for a terminal patient. Immigrants quickly take on the fertility characteristics of the host population, because they are subject to the same pressures and incentives. So immigration has to be perpetual. In the mean time, the source countries' fertility is slowly coming down to and below replacement as well. So it can't last forever. The only thing that is "solved" meanwhile is keeping wages depressed, which helps businesses. Allowing wages to rise might help improve native fertility. Edit: I should note that in the last few years Japan has modified its residency laws. As well as getting hundreds of thousands of "technical trainees" (in reality, pretty much enslaved factory workers) from China and Viet Nam, it's also getting hundreds of thousands of caregivers from the Philippines, and, for some reason, Brazil. So even Japan is accepting immigration these days, albeit very reluctantly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan#/media/File:Foreign_residents_in_Japan.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan#/media/F... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan#Foreign_residents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan#Foreign_...

Aren't almost all advanced economies save South Korea and Japan solving this with immigration. The US, Canada, Australia, and Europe are all doing so. Immigration is difficult to impossible in Japan.

alooPotato 2y ago

why?

toomuchtodo 2y ago
Desire to preserve culture and societal norms over economic growth.
- fred_is_fred 2y ago
  Also utter failure to build any new housing.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]

cl42 2y ago

I'm curious how this actually plays out in the long run. Canada is a good example, where the anti-immigration narrative has become much louder very quickly. People get nervous/upset when they see their culture or population visibly changing.

jimbob45 2y ago
Immigration is fine but Canada and the US are actively taking steps to dissuade the majority of their population from producing offspring in favor of taking in more immigrants. That's what people are upset over - not that immigration is part of the equation.
- wing-_-nuts 2y ago
  >Canada and the US are actively taking steps to dissuade the majority of their population from producing offspring Uh, expand?
kwere 2y ago
People are angry that their economic systems arent compatible with having families either with current salaries or time committment careers require. Most people (women in primis) find themselves sacrificing basic quality of life to have 1 or 2 children. Government solution to such societal issues is to import workers in mass ("they will pay social security contributions for the elderly") which suppress wages down further increasing the cost-oppurtunity of having children. Replacement theories fit nicely, at least on an economic point of view. Businesses interests get cheap workers on one hand and childless consumers with more disposable income on the other hand. Entire societies dying is just an aftereffect Short-termism of our leaders will lead to a systemic collapse just like in the Soviet Union.

tuatoru 2y ago

"Solving" rather than solving. It's an IV drip for a terminal patient. Immigrants quickly take on the fertility characteristics of the host population, because they are subject to the same pressures and incentives. So immigration has to be perpetual. In the mean time, the source countries' fertility is slowly coming down to and below replacement as well. So it can't last forever. The only thing that is "solved" meanwhile is keeping wages depressed, which helps businesses. Allowing wages to rise might help improve native fertility. Edit: I should note that in the last few years Japan has modified its residency laws. As well as getting hundreds of thousands of "technical trainees" (in reality, pretty much enslaved factory workers) from China and Viet Nam, it's also getting hundreds of thousands of caregivers from the Philippines, and, for some reason, Brazil. So even Japan is accepting immigration these days, albeit very reluctantly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan#/media/File:Foreign_residents_in_Japan.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan#/media/F... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan#Foreign_residents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan#Foreign_...