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> We’re excited to share a preview of a Framework Laptop 13 Mainboard with a new CPU architecture today, and it’s probably not the one you think it is. Hahaha.

by jarbus 2y ago

> We’re excited to share a preview of a Framework Laptop 13 Mainboard with a new CPU architecture today, and it’s probably not the one you think it is. Hahaha. Really curious if they’ll announce a snapdragon x elite board. I love the idea of RISC-V long term, but would love an X Elite board for the near future.

freedomben 2y ago
I think that would be cool too, and I would guess is in the oven currently, though personally I'm much more excited about RISC-V. Not for what it is today, but for what it can be tomorrow.
- DaoVeles 2y ago
  I do wonder about the future of RISC-V, I mean it has been coming for almost 10 years now and still has a long way to go. But you could say the same thing about ARM in the 90's/early 2000's. Looks like nothing much and then suddenly it is everywhere.
  - snvzz 2y ago
    >Looks like nothing much and then suddenly it is everywhere Already happened. 10+ billion cores already shipped as of RISC-V Summit in December 2022. Assume a much higher number by now. What's new is the general developer/enthusiast visibility we're starting to see. For ARM that was Raspberry Pi. For RISC-V, the "Raspberry Pi" moment was the release of VisionFive 2, in January 2023, using this same JH7110 SoC. There are better SoCs now, and SBCs using them e.g. spacemiT K1, in Banana Pi BPi-F3. That chip has 8 cores that implement RVA22 with Vector extension. In contrast, JH7110 has only 4 cores, they are slower, and they only implement RVA20, which is essentially RISC-V as of the original user and supervisor specs ratified in late 2019. It makes little sense today, as RISC-V and its ecosystem have advanced considerably.
    - DaoVeles 2y ago
      Sorry just caught up with this.. 10 billion cores! That is astounding. I remember when Intel passed the 1 billion processor mark in early 2000's and that took them about 25 years to do. It will only be a matter of time until the performance starts to catch up. I have seen many argue that "it will never catch up" but I have heard that before for many ISA's over the years.

by jarbus 2y ago

freedomben 2y ago

I think that would be cool too, and I would guess is in the oven currently, though personally I'm much more excited about RISC-V. Not for what it is today, but for what it can be tomorrow.

DaoVeles 2y ago
I do wonder about the future of RISC-V, I mean it has been coming for almost 10 years now and still has a long way to go. But you could say the same thing about ARM in the 90's/early 2000's. Looks like nothing much and then suddenly it is everywhere.
- snvzz 2y ago
  >Looks like nothing much and then suddenly it is everywhere Already happened. 10+ billion cores already shipped as of RISC-V Summit in December 2022. Assume a much higher number by now. What's new is the general developer/enthusiast visibility we're starting to see. For ARM that was Raspberry Pi. For RISC-V, the "Raspberry Pi" moment was the release of VisionFive 2, in January 2023, using this same JH7110 SoC. There are better SoCs now, and SBCs using them e.g. spacemiT K1, in Banana Pi BPi-F3. That chip has 8 cores that implement RVA22 with Vector extension. In contrast, JH7110 has only 4 cores, they are slower, and they only implement RVA20, which is essentially RISC-V as of the original user and supervisor specs ratified in late 2019. It makes little sense today, as RISC-V and its ecosystem have advanced considerably.
  - DaoVeles 2y ago
    Sorry just caught up with this.. 10 billion cores! That is astounding. I remember when Intel passed the 1 billion processor mark in early 2000's and that took them about 25 years to do. It will only be a matter of time until the performance starts to catch up. I have seen many argue that "it will never catch up" but I have heard that before for many ISA's over the years.