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PGP encryption should be taught in school. Ingrained. Data privacy used to be trampled on with the fear of ‘terrorism’, but the Americans blasted the airwaves

PGP encryption should be taught in school. Ingrained. Data privacy used to be trampled on with the fear of ‘terrorism’, but the Americans blasted the airwaves with the word so much that it diluted the word to the point it instills zero fear. Now the new words of the times to trample on privacy is CSAM. And like utter fools, the public fall for the same crap time and time and time again. The truth is, the world will always be shit and have shit people in it. Those shit people will do shit things. It’s a fight over your soul now. And the AI is going to love love love everything it has on every single person on the planet. I can’t wait for the AI to come for us all - we are collectively just awful (and I believe we the west are probably more awful to humanity than even the Chinese, Israel or the Russians, and that is saying something). I am mad.

ironSkillet 2y ago
Please give examples of how the authoritarian, repressive, conformity-demanding CCP is less awful and soul destroying than Western democracy, as flawed as it is.
- dzonga 2y ago
  western democracy is good for people in the west. not other countless nations that have been enslaved, colonized, invaded, subjugated, stripped in the name of democracy and religion. Russia, CCP etc are horrible too - but let us not forget history. The Global South Remembers.
  - raxxorraxor 2y ago
    Western nations aren't solely responsible for insufficient historical education.
  - zirgs 2y ago
    Germany committed the Holocaust in my country. They murdered more than 100k of our citizens. And even more died in the WW2 that they started. But now we are in the same political, military and currency union with them, because countries and their ideologies change.
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- raxxorraxor 2y ago
  No need to compare to China, the German authorities can be repressive, they do search your home if you call an official a penis. Home searches are done casually because the judicative branch is overworked, neglects its responsibility and just waves such demands through. You lose your electronics and maybe your property gets damaged. Of course for a developer your electronics might be quite valuable as well. With a mechanism like this, this probably will increase further, apart of course for the unjust violation of privacy and even dignity. This is a law that contradicts the constitution very directly. Also, this is policy that was not brought through democracy. It was created by European Commissioners that only have a very low democratic legitimacy for far reaching policies like this. It would be a disaster for the EU and all its citizens if this comes through and everyone will loose.
- WhackyIdeas 2y ago
  Why don’t you instead look at the number of people killed throughout the globe as a result of China and then compare that to the number with the West. Literally soul destroying. As in life destroying. Meta data kills people. Now it’s moving way further than meta data..
- cherryteastain 2y ago
  Want to check how many died in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria between 2001 and now as a direct consequence of Western military action, versus how many people the PLA killed in foreign interventions in the same period? Hint: the former - hundreds of thousands, the latter - zero
  - WhackyIdeas 2y ago
    And indirect, through the use of manufactured ‘uprisings’ which the West are great at. But really, you can go back many more decades than that. Innocent lives are not something the West (especially USA) have historically valued. I hate bashing the West all the time, but come on, we aren’t the good guys in the world. And it’s time we own up to who we are. I have ffs. And I do wonder if the world would have been a more peaceful place if we collectively had more soul.
  - dist-epoch 2y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong: > Mao's policies were responsible for a vast number of deaths, with estimates ranging from 40 to 80 million victims due to starvation, persecution, prison labour, and mass executions, and his government has been described as totalitarian. I guess according to you killing your own people shouldn't be counted.
    - cherryteastain 2y ago
      Mao Zedong's CCP is as relevant to the present discussion as say Adolf Hitler, US treatment of Native Americans or British/French/Spanish colonialism. All awful, yet not awfully relevant.
      - zirgs 2y ago
        NSDAP hasn't been in power in Germany for like 80 years now. Meanwhile Mao's CCP is still in power and they haven't disowned him.
    - WhackyIdeas 2y ago
joenot443 2y ago
> and I believe we the west are probably more awful to humanity than even the Chinese, Israel or the Russians, and that is saying something This is a wild POV to hold and one I'm pretty disappointed to hear on HN. You'd really prefer a world of Russian hegemony over NATO? My cousins in Ukraine would be shocked to hear otherwise smart people cheering on a regime which the rest of the civilized world has broadly condemned.
- WhackyIdeas 2y ago
  You serious? I nearly cried watching what was happening in Ukraine early in 2022. You are making bad assumptions here. But if you want to put it into perspective… think about what is happening in Gaza. Now compare to Ukraine. Russia has plenty of missiles and by comparison (even while absolutely awful) have shown much more restraint. I don’t support them at all though!
  - tekknik 2y ago
    Russia is showing restraint because they’re fighting a war of attrition, are the invading force, and believe they have something to prove with a win. Israel is removing a terrorist organization from the face of the earth. Not the same.
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ironSkillet 2y ago

Please give examples of how the authoritarian, repressive, conformity-demanding CCP is less awful and soul destroying than Western democracy, as flawed as it is.

dzonga 2y ago
western democracy is good for people in the west. not other countless nations that have been enslaved, colonized, invaded, subjugated, stripped in the name of democracy and religion. Russia, CCP etc are horrible too - but let us not forget history. The Global South Remembers.
- raxxorraxor 2y ago
  Western nations aren't solely responsible for insufficient historical education.
- zirgs 2y ago
  Germany committed the Holocaust in my country. They murdered more than 100k of our citizens. And even more died in the WW2 that they started. But now we are in the same political, military and currency union with them, because countries and their ideologies change.
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raxxorraxor 2y ago
No need to compare to China, the German authorities can be repressive, they do search your home if you call an official a penis. Home searches are done casually because the judicative branch is overworked, neglects its responsibility and just waves such demands through. You lose your electronics and maybe your property gets damaged. Of course for a developer your electronics might be quite valuable as well. With a mechanism like this, this probably will increase further, apart of course for the unjust violation of privacy and even dignity. This is a law that contradicts the constitution very directly. Also, this is policy that was not brought through democracy. It was created by European Commissioners that only have a very low democratic legitimacy for far reaching policies like this. It would be a disaster for the EU and all its citizens if this comes through and everyone will loose.
WhackyIdeas 2y ago
Why don’t you instead look at the number of people killed throughout the globe as a result of China and then compare that to the number with the West. Literally soul destroying. As in life destroying. Meta data kills people. Now it’s moving way further than meta data..
cherryteastain 2y ago
Want to check how many died in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria between 2001 and now as a direct consequence of Western military action, versus how many people the PLA killed in foreign interventions in the same period? Hint: the former - hundreds of thousands, the latter - zero
- WhackyIdeas 2y ago
  And indirect, through the use of manufactured ‘uprisings’ which the West are great at. But really, you can go back many more decades than that. Innocent lives are not something the West (especially USA) have historically valued. I hate bashing the West all the time, but come on, we aren’t the good guys in the world. And it’s time we own up to who we are. I have ffs. And I do wonder if the world would have been a more peaceful place if we collectively had more soul.
- dist-epoch 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong: > Mao's policies were responsible for a vast number of deaths, with estimates ranging from 40 to 80 million victims due to starvation, persecution, prison labour, and mass executions, and his government has been described as totalitarian. I guess according to you killing your own people shouldn't be counted.
  - cherryteastain 2y ago
    Mao Zedong's CCP is as relevant to the present discussion as say Adolf Hitler, US treatment of Native Americans or British/French/Spanish colonialism. All awful, yet not awfully relevant.
    - zirgs 2y ago
      NSDAP hasn't been in power in Germany for like 80 years now. Meanwhile Mao's CCP is still in power and they haven't disowned him.
  - WhackyIdeas 2y ago

joenot443 2y ago

> and I believe we the west are probably more awful to humanity than even the Chinese, Israel or the Russians, and that is saying something This is a wild POV to hold and one I'm pretty disappointed to hear on HN. You'd really prefer a world of Russian hegemony over NATO? My cousins in Ukraine would be shocked to hear otherwise smart people cheering on a regime which the rest of the civilized world has broadly condemned.

WhackyIdeas 2y ago
You serious? I nearly cried watching what was happening in Ukraine early in 2022. You are making bad assumptions here. But if you want to put it into perspective… think about what is happening in Gaza. Now compare to Ukraine. Russia has plenty of missiles and by comparison (even while absolutely awful) have shown much more restraint. I don’t support them at all though!
- tekknik 2y ago
  Russia is showing restraint because they’re fighting a war of attrition, are the invading force, and believe they have something to prove with a win. Israel is removing a terrorist organization from the face of the earth. Not the same.
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